Guy Butters for defense coach

[Lush]

I hate to think how many games we've lost this season because of defensive errors. Yes - everyone can make a mistake but this is going beyond ridiculous. We have some decent defenders - as individuals - but as Slade correctly identified yesterday - we can't keep on "leaving the back door open."

Time to bring a specialist in perhaps? What about Mr Butters?

(Apologies for yank spelling of defence - can't edit!)

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I hate to think how many games we've lost this season because of defensive errors. Yes - everyone can make a mistake but this is going beyond ridiculous. We have some decent defenders - as individuals - but as Slade correctly identified yesterday - we can't keep on "leaving the back door open."

Time to bring a specialist in perhaps? What about Mr Butters?

Good idea. It's pretty obvious there's nobody coaching even the basics into the defence. When Butters was playing he was forever guiding the younger players, moving them around the field, even if he no longer had the legs to do so himself. His positional play was always excellent, which made up for his lack of movement. They've definitely missed his influence this season. Somebody like Tank is needed to keep drilling positional play into the defensive lineup til it's second nature, cos at the moment they're floundering.

 

[Mendoza]

I think we need proper coaches who are ACTUALLY qualified and with experience. None of this get the players from the recent past in because they were nice.

It has got us into this mess, and if we stop doing it we may get out of this mess.

It probably started with appointing Wilkins as manager, and has got stupid ever since. Getting Micky back, Booker, Oatway, Watson, what has it achieved.

The only good coach we had, was one that was not our own. Paul Crichton

I think Guy is a brilliant person, but as a coach, can he do it? Who knows. I just think the lack of seriousness and professionalism has been our down fall this year

 

[Brighton Breezy]

Less jobs for the boys, more professionally qualified coaches please.

 

[saltash seagull]

why do people keep going about getting butters in? totally agree with mendoza and this jobs for the boys policy...lets get some one with a bit of experience in to caoach the defenders

 

[Dover]

I hate to think how many games we've lost this season because of defensive errors. Yes - everyone can make a mistake but this is going beyond ridiculous. We have some decent defenders - as individuals - but as Slade correctly identified yesterday - we can't keep on "leaving the back door open."

Time to bring a specialist in perhaps? What about Mr Butters?

(Apologies for yank spelling of defence - can't edit!)

Got his badges, knows the players. Good shout.

 

[The Large One]

Butters is a qualified coach. Plus he knows the set-up and the players, and the players know him.

The griping about 'jobs for the boys' is a shallow meaningless one because the fact he has played for us before should in no way be a hindrance to him being employed by the club. It's whether he could do the job for us and I am struggling to think of a reason as to why he couldn't.

 

[strings]

If he has actual proper qualifacations (like in coaching, not sewing or English literature or anything pansy like that), then BUTTERS IN. If not, could he come back and give us a bit of half-time entertainment anyway?

 

[Brighton Breezy]

Butters is a qualified coach. Plus he knows the set-up and the players, and the players know him.

The griping about 'jobs for the boys' is a shallow meaningless one because the fact he has played for us before should in no way be a hindrance to him being employed by the club. It's whether he could do the job for us and I am struggling to think of a reason as to why he couldn't.

Or indeed, why any other of the hundreds of qualified coaches could not do the same, or better job than Butters.

The club should get the best man for the job regardless of who they are. If that is Butters then great. If not, well don't get sentimental and hire him anyway because that policy has landed us with a non-league coaching set-up and little or no support for the manager.

 

[Mendoza]

Butters is a qualified coach. Plus he knows the set-up and the players, and the players know him.

The griping about 'jobs for the boys' is a shallow meaningless one because the fact he has played for us before should in no way be a hindrance to him being employed by the club. It's whether he could do the job for us and I am struggling to think of a reason as to why he couldn't.

Qualified coach is a good thing, but I too am a qualified coach. I have never coached anything other than a primary school team. I am not too sure what Butters has coached in since his qualified, thats why I dont like this jobs for the boys.

We are giving unqualified/barely qualified people jobs, chucking them in the deep end and hoping for the best. Why not go for a proven track record to get us out this mess.

 

[Austrian Gull]

Or indeed, why any other of the hundreds of qualified coaches could not do the same, or better job than Butters.

The club should get the best man for the job regardless of who they are. If that is Butters then great. If not, well don't get sentimental and hire him anyway because that policy has landed us with a non-league coaching set-up and little or no support for the manager.

 

[The Large One]

Or indeed, why any other of the hundreds of qualified coaches could not do the same, or better job than Butters.

The club should get the best man for the job regardless of who they are. If that is Butters then great. If not, well don't get sentimental and hire him anyway because that policy has landed us with a non-league coaching set-up and little or no support for the manager.

Who's getting sentimental? Your history of ambivalence towards Guy Butters is well documented.

I agree that there might well be better applicants for that role, but you are automatically precluding him because he has played for us before which, for me, is very narrow thinking.

As for your 'non-league' set-up, doubtless you must be crushed at the little nugget that came my way recently, namely that Dean White has, in the past, turned down offers to work in the coaching set-ups for Premiership and Championship clubs in order to stay at Brighton.

 

[sydney]

Lush darling , would you like to pop round my house for some spelling lessons and afterwards maybe we could do a bit of bumming......

 

[Brighton Breezy]

Who's getting sentimental? Your history of ambivalence towards Guy Butters is well documented.

I agree that there might well be better applicants for that role, but you are automatically precluding him because he has played for us before which, for me, is very narrow thinking.

As for your 'non-league' set-up, doubtless you must be crushed at the little nugget that came my way recently, namely that Dean White has, in the past, turned down offers to work in the coaching set-ups for Premiership and Championship clubs in order to stay at Brighton.

Really? I was talking to someone who used to work in the background at Brighton who said White was clueless...

Oh, and I don't see how saying "If Butters is the best man for the job then by all means hire him" is precluding him from the position.

 

[reigate]

It's whether he could do the job for us and I am struggling to think of a reason as to why he couldn't.

Experience?

Would be interesting if Lynch came back next season with Butters as coach if it is true what he was alledged to have said about him last summer.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

Qualified coach is a good thing, but I too am a qualified coach. I have never coached anything other than a primary school team. I am not too sure what Butters has coached in since his qualified, thats why I dont like this jobs for the boys.

We are giving unqualified/barely qualified people jobs, chucking them in the deep end and hoping for the best. Why not go for a proven track record to get us out this mess.

Mendoza in!

 

[The Large One]

Really? I was talking to someone who used to work in the background at Brighton who said White was clueless...

He takes assists the manager (whoever that may be) and takes coaching sessions in his absence. As a manager or tactician in his own right, I understand he is lacking. But regarding coaching, training regimes, scouting and managerial assistance, he is very highly regarded.

Really.

Oh, and I don't see how saying "If Butters is the best man for the job then by all means hire him" is precluding him from the position.

It isn't, but 'less [sic] jobs for the boys...' is.

 

[The Large One]

Experience?

Would be interesting if Lynch came back next season with Butters as coach if it is true what he was alledged to have said about him last summer.

I agree that there may be an issue over knowing the players 'too well'.

What he lacks for in coaching experience, he makes up for several times over in playing experience, and that's something no coaching manual can teach you.

 

[Race]

Qualified coach is a good thing, but I too am a qualified coach. I have never coached anything other than a primary school team. I am not too sure what Butters has coached in since his qualified, thats why I dont like this jobs for the boys.

If you are qualified to coach primary school kids then I'm guessing you have at least Level 1? If that's the case then you are not qualified to coach professionals!! He has taken all his courses so far with fellow pro's and managers, the courses are designed to suit the fact that they are professionals and are done differently to kind of course you would have taken so I'd say he is more than up to the job......not that I'm saying he deserves it just because he is an ex player!!! 20 years experience in the game obviously doesnt count for much in a lot of peolples eye either does it?!!!

 

[Silent Bob]

I agree that there might well be better applicants for that role, but you are automatically precluding him because he has played for us before which, for me, is very narrow thinking.

Indeed. If Butters hadn't played for us I wonder if people would be saying the same? An ex player with loads of experience at all levels, a player who read the game rather than just relying on physicality attributes. Seems like just the job to me.

And with hindsight our old boy non league set up last season can't have been so bad, since with pretty much the same defenders we were able to sometimes keep clean sheets and not look like conceding from any cross that goes into the box.