Gus Poyet: best win of my career

[theonesmith]

There is nothing a pathetic as the poster who offers insults on an internet forum, safe at home with no chance of having to deal with retailiation. Its the equivalent of fat arse road ragers waving a wanker sign as they drive by. There is no way in the world you would offer that insult to my face, or anyones face either for that matter. So very easy to be hard on a forum. Pathetic.

 

[Buzzer]

But in between those games we got spanked 3-0 at Selhurst. At what point did he suddenly understand it? I just don't believe that a professional football manager would not try as hard to get his players ready for a game because it wasn't against a who he perceived to be his rivals. It just doesn't make sense.

Spanked 3-0 at their ground after getting one of our central defenders sent off in the first few minutes and we could have equalised at the end of the first half if CMS hadn't been a frigging headless chicken. I wouldn't lay the blame for that defeat at Poyet's doorstep.

 

[Buzzer]

No, not conclusive, because, as you admit, it's your own reading. If it was conclusive it would not need your interpretation. I don't deny he may have wanted to leave ASAP, but he left that up to Tony to decide (he may have wanted to see out the season, but realised maybe Tony would need to move quickly on his replacement, or maybe he thought Tony would want a perceived unhappy employee gone).

But, the point is: it was originally said he went to bloom and asked to leave the next day. He did not do this, as the quote from the BBC website you provide shows. He went and asked to leave at the end of the season, but let it be known he would be willing to go the next day if Bloom wanted.

I happen to think that is an important distinction.

Asking to leave the next day is unreasonable, it's unfair on your employer, it shows a lack of class and honour. That is not what he did. He gave Tony notice and flexibility. People presenting it as Gus asking to leave the next day are thus presenting Gus in resignation in an inaccurately negative light.

It is clear. He asked if he was allowed to leave the next day. Not that if Bloom wanted him to go but if it was allowable. I think we'll have to agree to disagree here if you don't accept that.

 

[WhingForPresident]

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[Acker79]

It is clear. He asked if he was allowed to leave the next day. Not that if Bloom wanted him to go but if it was allowable. I think we'll have to agree to disagree here if you don't accept that.

Allowable. If Bloom would allow him, which he would only do if he wanted Poyet to go.

 

[Buzzer]

Allowable. If Bloom would allow him, which he would only do if he wanted Poyet to go.

As I say, I think that shows that Poyet wanted to go immediately rather than asking if Bloom wanted him to. What would it serve Bloom to have got rid of Poyet a few days before the Palace game and disrupted that game and also our run-in for the play-offs? Poyet knew this as well as Bloom. It simply doesn't make sense any other way than reading it as Poyet asking if he could leave immediately.

 

[theonesmith]

As I say, I think that shows that Poyet wanted to go rather than asking if Bloom wanted him to. What would it serve Bloom to have got rid of Poyet a few days before the Palace game and disrupted that game and also our run-in for the play-offs. Poyet knew this as well as Bloom. It simply doesn't make sense any other way than reading it as Poyet asking if he could leave immediately.

Having kept an eye on your debate with Acker, I must say I agree with your interpretation of what has been said and what is between the lines.

 

[Acker79]

As I say, I think that shows that Poyet wanted to go immediately rather than asking if Bloom wanted him to. What would it serve Bloom to have got rid of Poyet a few days before the Palace game and disrupted that game and also our run-in for the play-offs? Poyet knew this as well as Bloom. It simply doesn't make sense any other way than reading it as Poyet asking if he could leave immediately.

He made it clear he was willing to stay until the end of the season. He may have wanted to leave the next day, I am not denying that (just denying that he conclusively wanted to).

I am highlighting that according to Bloom he showed a willingness (possibly a wanting, depending on your interpretation) to stay until the end of the season.

A fair and reasonable gesture that is dismissed, presenting his "resignation" in a much more negative light than it was by editing down what was actually said from "I want to leave at the end of the season, if it is allowable then tomorrow would be fine" to "I want to leave tomorrow".

You don't deny that Bloom's account of things shows even then Gus was willing to stay until the end of the season if Bloom didn't let him go the next day, do you? He wasn't putting Bloom over a barrel and refusing to do anything from the next day, was he? He was still willing to be a professional and do his job until the end of the season, right?

 

[Commander]

As I say, I think that shows that Poyet wanted to go immediately rather than asking if Bloom wanted him to. What would it serve Bloom to have got rid of Poyet a few days before the Palace game and disrupted that game and also our run-in for the play-offs? Poyet knew this as well as Bloom. It simply doesn't make sense any other way than reading it as Poyet asking if he could leave immediately.

I don't know either way, but I guess it could be interpreted that Gus was saying "I want to leave at the end of the season whatever happens, but with this in mind, if you think it would best for me to go now then I'd understand". That's a fairly common situation with people giving their notice in any profession. I guess we'll never really know, and both Gus and Bloom probably interpreted it differently to each other anyway.

What I don't understand, is why we are still talking about it now.

 

[Buzzer]

presenting his "resignation" in a much more negative light than it was by editing down what was actually said from "I want to leave at the end of the season, if it is allowable then tomorrow would be fine" to "I want to leave tomorrow".

And there I think we will never agree. I (and others) read it as saying "I want to leave tomorrow". Why even ask Bloom about the possibility of leaving the next day and saying you're fine with it?

My last word on this as I suspect we'll be going round in circles otherwise. Poyet said "I'm leaving at the end of the season" meaning regardless of what happens I'm off and here's my resignation letter. He tells Bloom that if it's allowable then he's fine to go tomorrow meaning, in my eyes, that he wants out as soon as possible and if Bloom doesn't let him go immediately then he'll just work his notice.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

What I don't understand, is why we are still talking about it now.

Gus (or is it Poyet now) is such a big personality in the game. And unless we have a clearer idea than now of the events leading up to the home play-off match and their consequences - the bones will continue to be picked over. And probably that wouldn't stop it either.

 

[kevo]

Spanked 3-0 at their ground after getting one of our central defenders sent off in the first few minutes and we could have equalised at the end of the first half if CMS hadn't been a frigging headless chicken. I wouldn't lay the blame for that defeat at Poyet's doorstep.

Yet you would blame him for the play-off semi defeat? Even though he had guided us on a great 11-match unbeaten run. We were due a bad game and let's not forget that match too could have been a different story if Barnes had scored one of those two second-half chances. Palace played well and unfortunately some of our players didn't really turn up on the night.

Seems to me you blame the manager or the players alternatively, according to whatever suits your argument.

 

[symyjym]

Out of interest, and I don't know if anyone knows, is it a fact that he turned up late for the Palace game?

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Out of interest, and I don't know if anyone knows, is it a fact that he turned up late for the Palace game?

Case closed. No more questions m'lud.

 

[Creaky]

It really doesn't matter now what the truth about the alleged, (don't forget GP has never admitted making one), March phone call - the upshot was that for whatever reason the club dismissed GP - he didn't leave willingly.

We have a new manager, GP has a new club - everyone seems happy so what's the problem?

 

[kevo]

Out of interest, and I don't know if anyone knows, is it a fact that he turned up late for the Palace game?

Was going to ask that question myself. I saw someone repeating it in the Argus comments the other day - saying he didn't turn up till 7pm. Anyone know?

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Was going to ask that question myself. I saw someone repeating it in the Argus comments the other day - saying he didn't turn up till 7pm. Anyone know?

It's absolute balls

 

[Acker79]

And there I think we will never agree. I (and others) read it as saying "I want to leave tomorrow". Why even ask Bloom about the possibility of leaving the next day and saying you're fine with it?

My last word on this as I suspect we'll be going round in circles otherwise. Poyet said "I'm leaving at the end of the season" meaning regardless of what happens I'm off and here's my resignation letter. He tells Bloom that if it's allowable then he's fine to go tomorrow meaning, in my eyes, that he wants out as soon as possible and if Bloom doesn't let him go immediately then he'll just work his notice.

So, in your eyes, he was willing to continue working at the club until the end of the season (i.e. his notice period - a period that is set by giving the last date you wish to work, in this case the end of the season)?

That is something that gets ignored every time it is truncated to your interpretation of what you think Gus meant, based on what Bloom has told you from memory over five months later about a phone call Gus hasn't admitted occurred (though, in honesty, his non-denial wasn't the most convincing).

 

[Buzzer]

Seems to me you blame the manager or the players alternatively, according to whatever suits your argument.

Given that you've misunderstood every post you've replied to in this thread including this one, I'm not going to be debating this further with you. No offence intended.

 

[*Gullsworth*]

It's absolute balls

Really? No REALLY?