[Albion] Gross goal offside?

[eastterracemike]

Not entirely sure it was offside. Yes his foot is beyond the villa defender BUT what is not clear and is not shown on VAR is the position of the ball when it was passed across. If it is ahead or level with Gross's foot then he is not offside.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

I think they got the lines right with the ball and his foot, and was just offside the way they interpret the rules these days.

That's the bigger issue in my eyes, the law / rules / whatever says that if the attacker is level with the last defender, he is onside. Under any reasonable definition Gross is level with the defender. As was Dunk at Everton, as was McGinn yesterday, as was the case in so many stupidly disallowed goals.

 

[Silverhatch]

Have to admit. Never knew the offside rule included ball & second last opponent. Every day a school day.

 

[Justice]

I trust Oliver on VAR a lot more than any of the other shysters. It was offside two tight calls and he called them both correctly.

 

[brighton_tom]

I just don’t understand why that took so long for VAR to figure out. Once the lines were drawn it seemed pretty clear. But must have been 4-5 minutes between ball hitting the net and decision being made.

 

[Seagull58]

Not entirely sure it was offside. Yes his foot is beyond the villa defender BUT what is not clear and is not shown on VAR is the position of the ball when it was passed across. If it is ahead or level with Gross's foot then he is not offside.

His knee was ahead of his foot. It was close but the mower lines on the pitch indicated his was slightly ahead of the ball, as did the VAR lines

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I just don’t understand why that took so long for VAR to figure out. Once the lines were drawn it seemed pretty clear. But must have been 4-5 minutes between ball hitting the net and decision being made.

I think if a decision cannot be made within 60 second, it is not a clear and obvious error, and stick to the onfield decision.
Keeping fans waiting for 4 mins is ridiculous.

 

[tigertim68]

His knee was ahead of his foot. It was close but the mower lines on the pitch indicated his was slightly ahead of the ball, as did the VAR lines

Shame the same line’s were not used for Roma‘s second goal in Rome

 

[Seagull58]

I just don’t understand why that took so long for VAR to figure out. Once the lines were drawn it seemed pretty clear. But must have been 4-5 minutes between ball hitting the net and decision being made.

It took a long time but I expect that was because they had to check the defender on the far side as well as the ball position, and they have to get the best frame to represent time of ball contact. Some mistakes have been made with offside decisions so they probably want to be extra careful.

 

[Seagull58]

Shame the same line’s were not used for Roma‘s second goal in Rome

Agreed. They may well have got the lines wrong in Rome.

 

[Seagull58]

I think if a decision cannot be made within 60 second, it is not a clear and obvious error, and stick to the onfield decision.
Keeping fans waiting for 4 mins is ridiculous.

Clear and obvious error doesn't apply to offside decisions. They are matters of fact, supposedly.

 

[dazzer6666]

Looked offside in real time and think it was the correct decision. Hopefully the semi-automated system will give an answer in seconds on such occasions rather than us having to wait for a myopic clown to toss a coin

 

[raymondo]

His knee was ahead of his foot. It was close but the mower lines on the pitch indicated his was slightly ahead of the ball, as did the VAR lines

Assuming the mower lines are parallel to the goal line of course! They should be using GPS .

 

[Cheggers]

I think if a decision cannot be made within 60 second, it is not a clear and obvious error, and stick to the onfield decision.
Keeping fans waiting for 4 mins is ridiculous.

I agree that four mins is ridiculous, but a problem with a time limit is that those using VAR are not all (if any of them) competent or efficient. Although I'm not sure whether 60 seconds or 60 minutes would be enough time for some of them.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Have to admit. Never knew the offside rule included ball & second last opponent. Every day a school day.

If Gross was level or behind the ball then he cannot be offside. I presume they checked for this first, saw he was ahead of the ball and then checked for offside.

 

[Peacehaven Wild Kids]

Personally I’m surprised to see this is even a discussion point

(However I am often wrong about things, that’s probably why I drink so much. Or possibly it’s the drink that causes me to be wrong. Who knows?)

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Clear and obvious error doesn't apply to offside decisions. They are matters of fact, supposedly.

Not sure why clear and obvious doesn't apply though. Either they were clearly and obviously off-side or not and that is all it needs to be (bringing back the advantage to the attacking player once again) however the people behind how it's implemented have taken clear and obvious to apply purely to either they were on or off side, and clear and obvious means that the wrong signal by the assistant referee is when a clear and obvious mistake has been made (yet many times there hasn't been a single person even appealing for offside) so it's being used to strictly

VAR wasn't meant to be a forensic examination to determine if there was a toe nail in an offside position or not but that is how it's being used. It should have been more for things like Thierry Henry's handball in the lead up to France's goal which help beat Ireland in a World Cup qualifying play-off match

The old rules used to give an advantage to the attacking player, surely if it is not obvious that they are offside when the ball is struck and they need those lines, then it shouldn't be overturned and the on-field ruling should stand.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I think if a decision cannot be made within 60 second

Harsh, if you were out driving and saw a visually impaired person crossing the road would you pressurise them to hurry up?

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Assuming the mower lines are parallel to the goal line of course! They should be using GPS .

I think they should use an elaborate matrix of lasers to measure everybody's exact position in real time.
It would also significantly increase the risk of blinding the players, but I think that's a price worth paying.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

He was offside.