griffin

[Goldstone Rapper]

From here, it seems that HampshireSeagulls is wiping the floor with biggles in this thread. All biggles can do is respond with woolly insubstantial quips.

While I don't share many of his views, Coventrygull (particularly on some other threads) is at least articulate in the explanation and justification of his political leanings.

 

[coventrygull]

The BNP stands against everything which makes Britain what it is today. All of the politcal parties realise that immigration is an issue, and needs to be adressed. Labour HAVE limited numbers, and on the current grounds which indicate alot more immigrants are in fact going back out of the country because of the economic crisis. Regardless of that, Griffin's policies are clouded by real ideology, that calls for a pure white race supremecy. Very similar to the views shared my Hitler. Griffin's aims are to exploit the British public into making them agree with his policies. The buck wont stop with immigration, a BNP ruled country would bury Britain into isolation from the rest of Europe, and indeed the world. That on its own would have a catastrophic impact on trade and the economy.

Oh dear what utter tosh.Never mind back in the real world

 

[Sooty the Thief]

I have six grand kids. I look at them and think what the hell is life going to be like for them in 20 years. Its time to wake up or all will be lost

I know that the blinkered lefties on this board do not represent an accurate % of society, but I do feel that these sort of morons will prevent us from making the change that is required to pull us out of this right royal mess.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Absolute TOP post mate.

The issue here is not with immigrants coming here to fill jobs, intergrating to British society and paying their taxes. I have as much gripe with our home grown plebs as I do them.

The issue is uncontrolled immigration where either immigrants sponge off the state or illegally work, thus depriving the working man (and woman for all you lefties) or jobs and also not paying taxes.

Unfortunately immigration to this country is seen as a heaven for the majority of asylum seekers due to our lethergic system of returning them to their countries of origin and our extremely liberal benefit system.

I just worry for my three children as to what sort of Britain they will grow up in.

Absolutely. We are seen as a soft touch, even to the point that other European nations abrogate their responsibility for harbouring asylum seekers to us. Remember that they should be given safe haven in the first safe country they can reach - not the one with the best welfare system! We do not return them actively enough - especially the ones that commit crimes. However, we do have a duty to protect those that come here with genuine histories of hardship. Having seen some of the photos of the people that risk life and limb to get to our shores, you wonder how they manage to keep going. Sometimes they are forced to leave family and relatives behind on the journey, knowing that they are pretty much being condemned to death. Some people in this country think they are suffering hardship when Sky cuts out on a rainy day...

We need to look at a wider picture - why do we have so many people who are simply not interested in working? If they are not prepared to contribute to society in any shape or form, then do they deserve the status of citizen? Why do we fail to treat Commonwealth soldiers properly when they come to our country, fight for us (no matter what the rights and wrongs of the conflict), and all too frequently die for us - and then we try and repatriate them or their families!

This argument is beyond the "blacks taking all of our jobs" - historically we have blamed the Irish, Pakistanis, Muslims, Blacks, Chinese, etc - but we perhaps need to look to our own disenfranchised people - and it takes more than New Liebour throwing "anti-right-wing" funds into areas - the whole social structure needs a complete overhaul.

 

[the hitman]

Voters Would Consider BNP, Daily Telegraph Poll Finds After Nick Griffin Question Time Appearance | UK News | Sky News

The support is growing

 

[coventrygull]

From here, it seems that HampshireSeagulls is wiping the floor with biggles in this thread. All biggles can do is respond with woolly insubstantial quips.

While I don't share many of his views, Coventrygull (particularly on some other threads) is at least articulate in the explanation and justification of his political leanings.

Thanks mate. I always like to enter into an articulate debate. If people don't agree with me thats fine. I also like to listen to the views of others. Thats what makes life interesting.

Awaits Clapham's "see what he did there"

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

I know that the blinkered lefties on this board do not represent an accurate % of society, but I do feel that these sort of morons will prevent us from making the change that is required to pull us out of this right royal mess.

Aren't the BNP left-wing, though?

 

[coventrygull]

Voters Would Consider BNP, Daily Telegraph Poll Finds After Nick Griffin Question Time Appearance | UK News | Sky News

The support is growing

I think the BNP got about 5 grand in donations last night and I think a couple of thousand wanting to join the party.

 

[Sooty the Thief]

Absolutely. We are seen as a soft touch, even to the point that other European nations abrogate their responsibility for harbouring asylum seekers to us. Remember that they should be given safe haven in the first safe country they can reach - not the one with the best welfare system! We do not return them actively enough - especially the ones that commit crimes. However, we do have a duty to protect those that come here with genuine histories of hardship. Having seen some of the photos of the people that risk life and limb to get to our shores, you wonder how they manage to keep going. Sometimes they are forced to leave family and relatives behind on the journey, knowing that they are pretty much being condemned to death. Some people in this country think they are suffering hardship when Sky cuts out on a rainy day...

We need to look at a wider picture - why do we have so many people who are simply not interested in working? If they are not prepared to contribute to society in any shape or form, then do they deserve the status of citizen? Why do we fail to treat Commonwealth soldiers properly when they come to our country, fight for us (no matter what the rights and wrongs of the conflict), and all too frequently die for us - and then we try and repatriate them or their families!

This argument is beyond the "blacks taking all of our jobs" - historically we have blamed the Irish, Pakistanis, Muslims, Blacks, Chinese, etc - but we perhaps need to look to our own disenfranchised people - and it takes more than New Liebour throwing "anti-right-wing" funds into areas - the whole social structure needs a complete overhaul.

Yes 100%

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Voters Would Consider BNP, Daily Telegraph Poll Finds After Nick Griffin Question Time Appearance | UK News | Sky News

The support is growing

Lazy.

22% "would consider" - not that they would vote for them.
66% said they would never consider voting for them under any circumstances.
Whilst 50% said they could see the points the BNP were making, almost all of them said that they had no sympathy for the party.
12% agreed with the party ideology, 38% disagreed totally.
Survey of 1314 people interviewed online. No control group, no checks, total waste of time. They would be better off having an NSC poll!

We do not know the ethnic make-up, the social make-up, age make-up or the gender make-up of this group. The percentages do not make sense - they claim that 22% would consider voting for them, but only 12% agree with them - 10% of people would vote for them without understanding what they were voting for? They like the party colours?

 

[coventrygull]

Aren't the BNP left-wing, though?

I think the terms left wing and right wing are outdated. Yes even I still use them out of habit but they are meaningless now but yes the BNP could be seen as more left wing than right. As Atilla called Griffin a Strasserite I wondered if he noticed my avatar

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

I think the BNP got about 5 grand in donations last night and I think a couple of thousand wanting to join the party.

What! Wanting to have their names leaked online again?! I don't doubt that donations came in, and the interest would have risen. The BBC f***ed it right up in making him the victim of the piece. However, I think he needs to zip it about complaining about the "mob" - he should take his little victory and walk away, or risk coming across like a whining bitch!

His pop at Jack Straw's dad was pretty good - I knew he would have done his homework, he always does. His statement about Churchill not liking Islam was spot on as well,but I thought he might have turned round the Enoch Powell speech, Straw was lucky to get away with that. Ms Greer only served to make a twat of herself by alluding to Churchill being "part Red Indian" - she is actually quite well known for distoring historical facts herself! I thought the Conservative lady was quite good, she turned on Jack Straw quite well and made some good points about immigration, but they need to build on that - the Conservatives could stand to steal a lot of votes back from the BNP with a robust immigration policy.

 

[coventrygull]

Absolutely. We are seen as a soft touch, even to the point that other European nations abrogate their responsibility for harbouring asylum seekers to us. Remember that they should be given safe haven in the first safe country they can reach - not the one with the best welfare system! We do not return them actively enough - especially the ones that commit crimes. However, we do have a duty to protect those that come here with genuine histories of hardship. Having seen some of the photos of the people that risk life and limb to get to our shores, you wonder how they manage to keep going. Sometimes they are forced to leave family and relatives behind on the journey, knowing that they are pretty much being condemned to death. Some people in this country think they are suffering hardship when Sky cuts out on a rainy day...

We need to look at a wider picture - why do we have so many people who are simply not interested in working? If they are not prepared to contribute to society in any shape or form, then do they deserve the status of citizen? Why do we fail to treat Commonwealth soldiers properly when they come to our country, fight for us (no matter what the rights and wrongs of the conflict), and all too frequently die for us - and then we try and repatriate them or their families!

This argument is beyond the "blacks taking all of our jobs" - historically we have blamed the Irish, Pakistanis, Muslims, Blacks, Chinese, etc - but we perhaps need to look to our own disenfranchised people - and it takes more than New Liebour throwing "anti-right-wing" funds into areas - the whole social structure needs a complete overhaul.

The whole globalist system needs taking down. Makes me laugh when the major parties call the BNP racist when they a support an economic system that condems thousands of third world people to poverty,starvation and death

 

[biggles]

What! Wanting to have their names leaked online again?! I don't doubt that donations came in, and the interest would have risen. The BBC f***ed it right up in making him the victim of the piece. However, I think he needs to zip it about complaining about the "mob" - he should take his little victory and walk away, or risk coming across like a whining bitch!

His pop at Jack Straw's dad was pretty good - I knew he would have done his homework, he always does. His statement about Churchill not liking Islam was spot on as well,but I thought he might have turned round the Enoch Powell speech, Straw was lucky to get away with that. Ms Greer only served to make a twat of herself by alluding to Churchill being "part Red Indian" - she is actually quite well known for distoring historical facts herself! I thought the Conservative lady was quite good, she turned on Jack Straw quite well and made some good points about immigration, but they need to build on that - the Conservatives could stand to steal a lot of votes back from the BNP with a robust immigration policy.

winner

 

[coventrygull]

What! Wanting to have their names leaked online again?! I don't doubt that donations came in, and the interest would have risen. The BBC f***ed it right up in making him the victim of the piece. However, I think he needs to zip it about complaining about the "mob" - he should take his little victory and walk away, or risk coming across like a whining bitch!

His pop at Jack Straw's dad was pretty good - I knew he would have done his homework, he always does. His statement about Churchill not liking Islam was spot on as well,but I thought he might have turned round the Enoch Powell speech, Straw was lucky to get away with that. Ms Greer only served to make a twat of herself by alluding to Churchill being "part Red Indian" - she is actually quite well known for distoring historical facts herself! I thought the Conservative lady was quite good, she turned on Jack Straw quite well and made some good points about immigration, but they need to build on that - the Conservatives could stand to steal a lot of votes back from the BNP with a robust immigration policy.

Its 2 leaks now. The new leak died a death. I think its getting to a stage where people will not care if they are seen as BNP members or supporters. I think the BNP needs to target Labour areas. Thats where the support will come from. They need to cut back on their immigration stance and start developing some of their other ideas. I think if they could get the third way on board they could seriously become a threat.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

The whole globalist system needs taking down. Makes me laugh when the major parties call the BNP racist when they a support an economic system that condems thousands of third world people to poverty,starvation and death

Absolutely. Have been looking at the UN recently with the BTEC National students, and seeing just how useless it actually is as an organisation. Using Rwanda as an example of total failure of the mandate, the UDHR, etc. Will be watching Hotel Rwanda after half term (4 times - 4 classes!). They also had to analyse QT from last night, which will be interesting. Some of them display basic BNP support, but when questioned they actually are really shallow and cannot explain their reasons - I suspect it is nothing more than trying to look clever in front of the others. Done some work with Amnesty International as well, showed some horrific videos to them which kind of drove the point home (I try to warn them when people are going to be killed or tortured on the screen!).

All the time we prop up inherently corrupt third world countries, with arms, resources and money, then nothing will change. Did Band Aid work? Did it f*** - most of the stuff was stolen by troops and militia as soon as it got to the country. We do not do these countries any favours by propping them up - at some point we have to remove the crutch. And ultimately, we have to decide whether we are part of the world policing role, and we forcible put these countries back on the straight and narrow, or we leave them to it, knowing that we could end up with 100 days of Rwanda again.

 

[beorhthelm]

I have six grand kids. I look at them and think what the hell is life going to be like for them in 20 years. Its time to wake up or all will be lost

all depend how their parents, your children bring them up. if they are brought up to work hard, take education seriously and try to make an effort o better themselves, they'll do OK.

if they think they should sit around expecting someone to gift them a living and that they are owed something, they will end up failures.

i've spent enough time in the inner london boroughs to see that the only people, regardless of race, without a job and decent standard of living are bone idol, uneducated or ignorant. there is plenty of opportunity for those that want it, but you've got to want it. thats the irony, the reason foreign people come here in the first place is for the oppurtunities, its not their fault if those already here cant be arsed.

 

[biggles]

this one is for my dear friend hampshire seagull ,
no more rowing and i concede to your intelligence sir , but could you clear one little thing up for me .
all the white australians that live in australia will they over a period of time become aborigines .
i am not rowing or trying to be smart but i would like to get my head around it

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Its 2 leaks now. The new leak died a death. I think its getting to a stage where people will not care if they are seen as BNP members or supporters. I think the BNP needs to target Labour areas. Thats where the support will come from. They need to cut back on their immigration stance and start developing some of their other ideas. I think if they could get the third way on board they could seriously become a threat.

It's the general policies that they need. Whether they start by stealing from others or developing their own (I strongly doubt they have the political ingenuity to do that), they need to show that they are a serious party, not a one issue one. They still need to moderate their views (and some of their followers). I heard one on the Richard Bacon show last night wriggling out of a criminal conviction for inciting racial hatred by saying it was a "thought crime"! They would be better of putting their hands up and accepting stuff like that - it does them no favours by looking like revisionists and fabricators.

I think it is more likely that the Conservatives will take strands of a tougher immigration policy and forefront them to be honest - and they will draw people in because they are simply a larger, established party. People rarely use protest votes in General Elections - more so in local ones.

 

[biggles]

nudges hampshire for response