Greens win Euro Election in Brighton and Hove

[Brovion]

Am I the only one who thinks the Greens are a load of reactionary half-wits?

 

[The Cardinal]

Am I the only one who thinks the Greens are a load of reactionary half-wits?

On what issues? They are a damn sight more progressive than Labour or the Tories on civil liberties, Europe and foreign policy for starters.

 

[Brovion]

On what issues? ...

On industry, the economy and, strangely, (given their name) the environment. And it doesn't take much to be more progressive than Labour on civil liberties and foreign policy. Nazi Germany was more progressive than Labour on those issues.

 

[Hove Lagoonery]

Not far short.

The difference between the Greens and the BNP in terms of voting was that there were no constituencies in the UK where the BNP finished top (nor second for that matter) - hence they wouldn't get an MP in Westminster. The Greens on the other hand, finished top in Brighton and Norwich (two places where they also have the highest number of councillors), enhancing their claims for a couple of seats in Westminster.

An astonishing result, which will certainly be diminished substantially at the General Election. But do you think the vote will be strong enough in any particular B&H seat, eg Brighton Kemptown?

 

[Man of Harveys]

And it doesn't take much to be more progressive than Labour on civil liberties and foreign policy. Nazi Germany was more progressive than Labour on those issues.

I know I shouldn't rise to my ever-favourite NSC agent provocateur but...torturing people in basements like the Gestapo did? Tsk, a trip to the excellent and horrifying "Topographie des Terrors" exhibition on the site of where that torture took place in Berlin would probably challenge that: not sure Gordon Brown is quite holding David Cameron in manacles underneath Whitehall somewhere...

Topography of Terror - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[The Large One]

An astonishing result, which will certainly be diminished substantially at the General Election. But do you think the vote will be strong enough in any particular B&H seat, eg Brighton Kemptown?

I think the Greens have a very good chance in Brighton Pavilion.

All of central Brighton has Green councillors - 12 in total - on Brighton & Hove City Council. Within the Pavilion constituency, the colour of the map doesn't change from green or red until you get to Patcham and Westdene.

What's apparent is that the Green vote appears to be holding up. I suspect Brighton Pavilion will be a straight fight between the Tories and the Greens, with the latter picking up a sizeable chunk of the previously strong Labour vote. IMO, like.

To give you one 'for instance'. I would ordinarily have voted Labour in the General Election. However, I don't think I will be doing that next time. The Labour candidate, Nancy Platts (whom I have met), is a very nice, interesting and, I think, competent candidate. However, she is also part of the party machine who has been parachuted in from London over the past two or three years.

It's the lack of independence from the Labour machine that puts me off.

 

[Hotchilidog]

An astonishing result, which will certainly be diminished substantially at the General Election. But do you think the vote will be strong enough in any particular B&H seat, eg Brighton Kemptown?

Brighton Pavilion is the only likely Green target, pretty much all the local councillors are Green and in this election the disaffected Labour vote bypassed the Lib Dems and went to the Greens. With the long serving David Lepper standing down I don't see Labour having a chance in the next election.

The Greens are no shoo-in for the seat but Caroline Lucas is an excellent high profile candidate and I'm sure they will pour everything into their most 'winnable' target seat.

The tories could get in if the lab/ld/green vote gets equally split.

I suspect Kemptown and Hove will both be tory after the next election.

 

[BLOCK F]

Am I the only one who thinks the Greens are a load of reactionary half-wits?

No!

 

[strings]

Is there anywhere I can see the break down for my particular ward?

 

[The Large One]

Is there anywhere I can see the break down for my particular ward?

No. They only give results for council areas. These are, of course, slightly different to parliamentary constituencies.

 

[The Ringleader]

anyone have the votes for adur?

 

[Mendoza]

East Sussex looks funky, Lewes being different to everyone else as always. Just 4 labour seats. 9 lib dem seats and the rest (22 seats) going to the Tories

 

[Brovion]

I know I shouldn't rise to my ever-favourite NSC agent provocateur but...torturing people in basements like the Gestapo did? Tsk, a trip to the excellent and horrifying "Topographie des Terrors" exhibition on the site of where that torture took place in Berlin would probably challenge that: not sure Gordon Brown is quite holding David Cameron in manacles underneath Whitehall somewhere...

Ok, ok, I exagerrated. North Korea then.

I ...
To give you one 'for instance'. I would ordinarily have voted Labour in the General Election. However, I don't think I will be doing that next time. The Labour candidate, Nancy Platts (whom I have met), is a very nice, interesting and, I think, competent candidate. However, she is also part of the party machine who has been parachuted in from London over the past two or three years.

It's the lack of independence from the Labour machine that puts me off.

Indeed. I also heard a rumour that she was selected from an all-female shortlist, do you know if that is true?

 

[Buzzer]

£20 says that the Tories will still take all 3 city seats.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Why is it the Greens can win seats and be seen as the dogs bollocks but when it comes to the BNP they are treated with utter disgust ? Both small minority parties with radical manifestos.

 

[Buzzer]

Why is it the Greens can win seats and be seen as the dogs bollocks but when it comes to the BNP they are treated with utter disgust ? Both small minority parties with radical manifestos.

Umm....would it be that the Greens are a democratic paarty who believe in fairness and an equal society for all regardless of race, colour or class whereas BNP are full of bigots?

Jesus wept, do you really need to ask this?

 

[The Large One]

£20 says that the Tories will still take all 3 city seats.

For me, the demographic doesn't stack up.

What once was a safe-ish Labour seat over the past dozen or so years has now seen its supporters go to the Greens. Sure some people only float between Labour and Tory, but the centre of Brighton really is that hippified.

So I'll take you up on that. I think Greens will swipe Brighton Pavilion. £20 it is.

Not that I care ultimately about the outcome - party politics, especially at Westminster, is for professional politicians, commentators, simpering hangers-on and their assorted call-girls.

 

[Buzzer]

For me, the demographic doesn't stack up.

What once was a safe-ish Labour seat over the past dozen or so years has now seen its supporters go to the Greens. Sure some people only float between Labour and Tory, but the centre of Brighton really is that hippified.

So I'll take you up on that. I think Greens will swipe Brighton Pavilion. £20 it is.

Not that I care ultimately about the outcome - party politics, especially at Westminster, is for professional politicians, commentators, simpering hangers-on and their assorted call-girls.

Centre of Brighton is NOT typical of the Brighton demographic IMO. The burbs will vote the Tories in.

 

[The Large One]

Centre of Brighton is NOT typical of the Brighton demographic IMO. The burbs will vote the Tories in.

In the Council, the city centre is Green (Regency, St Peters & North Laine wards), going north it is Green/Red (Preston Park) then Red (Hollingbury & Stanmer), then Blue (Patcham, Withdean).

Many who are Red may well go Green (not all of course).

Close call I think.

 

[Hotchilidog]

In the Council, the city centre is Green (Regency, St Peters & North Laine wards), going north it is Green/Red (Preston Park) then Red (Hollingbury & Stanmer), then Blue (Patcham, Withdean).

Many who are Red may well go Green (not all of course).

Close call I think.

I agree, now that Lepper is gone, the Labour vote will evaporate in central Brighton and this time the Greens are the new front runner. They will pretty much throw the whole national campaign at brighton pavilion. It won't be easy for them but they have a very good chance indeed.