I think they need to re-think their Park and Ride stance. Surely 50 people travelling on a bus to a game is better than 50 cars making the same journey?! Ok I know it's not perfect because they're still travelling on a diesel guggling machine but it's better than individual car journeys! And if they won't provide Park and Ride for the city the only looser will be the city. Its nonsense but hey, if our overall approach helps them to like us and we get the extra seats that's all I'm worried about....well that plus the fact that more work still needs to be done on public transport, particularly for evening matches.
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Tricky Dicky
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C'mon, was only theoretical - although on my one and only visit to the Amex so far, the Palace game, the 25 bus I got back into town only had a few people in it (which I didn't understand as the station was jam-packed at the time, and I was back at Brighton station long before anyone else).
Basil Fawlty
Don't Mention The War
But...they're still driving their diesel guzzling machines to the car park to get on the park and ride. Admittedly they're not driving as far, but they're still driving their cars and then getting on more diesel guzzling machines to eventually get to the ground. More sustainable to drive to the local area, park and then walk!
brightn'ove
cringe
but the odd bus with only a few people is surely offset by the majority of buses having 30+ people?
Mackenzie
Old Brightonian
ssshhhhh....the number 25 is a secret
gazingdown
Well-known member
- Feb 26, 2011
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How many passengers in a bus is needed to use less fuel per person than 1 (2/3/4) people in a car?
Also bear in mind the car is only used taking people from a-b, a bus can be driven for many miles with no (or few) passengers (e.g buses going into town in rush hour have lots of passengers and going out has hardly any) making the fuel per passenger quite high thus less "sustainable" (whatever "sustainable" really means anyway
).I suspect buses (and trains) are pretty inefficient and expensive unless they are taking many passengers. If a bus (and moreso, trains) has, say, < 10 people in it, I guess 2/3 cars will be more environmentally friendly way of doing things.
I think the best and most "sustainable" policy is to have as varied spread of transport routes in as possible. Some cars (wither parking at stadium or walking distance away), some buses, some P&R, some trains, some cycling, some walking, some taxi, some coaches etc. the worst thing to do it try and cut "one" of these methods as you then only push those people onto the other methods thus potentially overloading them.
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I accept that but the green agenda is an emerging one, it's certainly not universally accepted! These things take time and I think some recognition that Park and Ride is a step in the right direction would be helpful, particularly as I suspect we are on of the few clubs to offer this matchday facility, instead of just putting it onto the unsustainable transport dump.
Tricky Dicky
New member
Rather straying from my point that they only seem to consider cars as non-sustainable, which seemed odd to me.
ssshhhhh....the number 25 is a secret
Ooops, sorry - I'm sure nobody noticed.
brightn'ove
cringe
well as they all run on petrol/diesel they are all unsustainable 
The Large One
Who's Next?
Nope.
The Large One
Who's Next?
The Greens aren't anti-Park & Ride as such - they'd just prefer other methods of transport to be explored first.
Then there is the issue of identifying suitable Park & Ride sites. I think one has been found, though what's happening with that, I'm not sure.
The Large One
Who's Next?
I don't think you've quite got the hang of 'sustainable transport', Kev.
Basil Fawlty
Don't Mention The War
Trust me this isn't Kev. He left his account logged on at his girlfriends house and I can't be bothered to log out and go onto my account.
And if you want a definition it is transport that has low impact on the environment including things such as walking, cycling and low emission vehicles. Or even car sharing, which is deemed more sustainable then driving alone.
The point I was trying to make is, how is driving to a park and ride and then getting on a bus which probably emits more emissions sustainable? Yes you can get more people on a bus but you are still using two very carbon inefficient types of transport in one go. Better to car share, use one and then walk the rest of the way.
Failing that we should be encouraging all people to try and use the buses more, rather then park and ride.
Common as Mook
Not Posh as Fook
- Jul 26, 2004
- 5,642
f*** me, you couldn't get any more patronising or condescending if you tried.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
It's not just the comparison between one car and one bus (with however many passengers you care to count) that matters. You have to factor in the effects of traffic congestion, in particular the relative effects of (say) thirty cars, all crammed into the same piece of road and travelling slowly, versus the effects of one bus, full of passengers, occupying one-twentieth of the road space that the cars would take up.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Dandyman
In London village.
We're going to need a bit more global warming before I jump into the Ouse.
del strangefish
Booooo!
Dear Greens,
Lit foot/cyclepaths from Wood/Rott/Ov/Saltdean please!
Lit foot/cyclepaths from Wood/Rott/Ov/Saltdean please!
Tricky Dicky
New member
Does the number ** stop at bottom of coldean lane
Give or take a couple of hundred yards.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Hmmm next season might get on for one stop then..just to make use of my 'free' travel