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Greeks Bonds Downgraded To Junk - Beware Labour Voters....



larus

Well-known member
From BBC. This is where we could go if we don't sort out our borrowing. Thanks Gordon 'Twat' Brown. This is why the spend, spend, spend menatality of the left always fails.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8647441.stm

Greece's debt has been downgraded to junk status by Standard & Poor's amid concern it was not able to take steps needed to tackle its economic crisis.

The struggling nation is appealing for 40bn euros from eurozone governments and the IMF to shore up its finances and allow it to make debt repayments.

But there are fears it will not meet conditions needed to access the funds.

Earlier, Portugal's debt was downgraded as doubts intensified about countries with substantial debt relative to GDP.

S&P said it was lowering its rating on Greece's debt to BB+ from BBB-, hitting US and European markets.

In London, the FTSE 100 index closed down 2.6% with most of the losses following S&P's downgrade of Greece. On Wall Street, the Dow Jones index was 1.4% lower at 11,052.1 points.

Shares in Greek banks slumped by more than 9% , the largest one-day fall in bank shares for 18 months.

On Monday, German Chancellor Angela Merkel had pledged German support to a European financial aid package for Greece, provided "certain conditions" were met.

She said that Germany would play its part in order to ensure the future stability of the euro but that Greece would have to be ready to accept "tough measures" over several years in return.


Greece needs to raise 9bn euros ($11.9bn; £7.7bn) by 19 May, but has said it cannot go to the markets because of the "prohibitive" interest rates.

The Greek government's cost of borrowing on the money markets has reached record levels in recent days amid investor concern over whether a 40bn euro bail-out package for Greece will be agreed.

Eurozone countries, together with the International Monetary Fund, have yet to agree details of the package.

Investors are also concerned that the Greek government's austerity measures - designed to cut domestic spending and reduce its ballooning budget deficit - will prove too unpopular with the Greek public.

S&P warned holders of Greek debt that they only had an "average chance" of between 30% and 50% of getting their money back in the event of a debt restructuring or default.

It said its action to cut the rating resulted from its "updated assessment of the political, economic, and budgetary challenges that the Greek government faces in its efforts to put the public debt burden onto a sustained downward trajectory".
 




Lincoln Imp

Well-known member
Feb 2, 2009
5,964
No, no, no, Germany can't possibly be bailing out the Greeks. A Tory shadow minister explained on the Campaign Show last night that if we have a hung parliament then we'll just finish up as knackered and indecisive as the Germans. Why can't our halfwit politicians understand that some of us would LIKE a government that reflects the way people vote than some crummy and corrupt system that means that the party coming third can appear to come first.
 




El Presidente

The ONLY Gay in Brighton
Helpful Moderator
Jul 5, 2003
40,116
Pattknull med Haksprut
A Tory shadow minister explained on the Campaign Show last night that if we have a hung parliament then we'll just finish up as knackered and indecisive as the Germans.

Which Tory shadow minister was that, Tarquin, Rupert or Humprhey?

Perhaps if they had some believable policies then they would be so far ahead in the polls that they would get elected on that basis, especially following an incumbent government that has presided over a severe recession, rather than putting out scare stories about hung parliaments.
 






Stoo82

GEEZUS!
Jul 8, 2008
7,530
Hove
Ill tell you why the Greeks are so f***ed.

Greece, is one of the corrupt countries in the world. When I lived there, and i'm going back in 2 weeks, there was a state owned hospital down the road from me. This hopsital is one of the top ones in Athens. I won't bore you by making you guess how many gardeners the hospital employed but it was 19. Yes thats 19 gardeners. At around 15,000 Euros each. Including pentions.

I will make you guess how many gardens it has...

Jobs for boys, the whole country is going to go down the toliet. The PM there is hated as he is really American, he can hardley speak Greek and had to have lessons when he was on the election trail. BUT, he does want to make serious reforms to the country.
 




larus

Well-known member
Why should labour voters beware, are they more likely to own Greek government bonds?

For the simple fact that this bunch of tossers believe that they can spend/borrow with no impact. At the end of the last economi cycle (I know Gordon had defeated Boom and Bust :shrug:), the government was spending more that it was raising, i.e. running a deficit. This is insane; at this stage of the cycle a country should be reducing it's debt. Gordon Brown has deceived for too long, yet too many people want an easy ride and don't accept that as a country we can't afford all of the services which we aspire to have.

The Tories at least are willing to accept that tough decisions have to be made, although they can't admit what will get cut, as this would lose votes (before any pratt says this explains why they can't vote Tory, Labour know they will have to cut as well). Also, the Tories don't know the full extent of the problem, as they aren't in charge of the treasury etc.
 




strings

Moving further North...
Feb 19, 2006
9,969
Barnsley
The Tories at least are willing to accept that tough decisions have to be made, although they can't admit what will get cut

Both Labour and the Tories have said cuts are needed, but not said where the cuts will be made... how does this make either of them electable? The British public need to know what issues they are voting on.
 


Martinf

SeenTheBlue&WhiteLight
Mar 13, 2008
2,774
Lewes
What was it again - a 15 or 20 point poll lead last year? Now the tories are pissing themselves and are reduced to trying to scare the electorate about the possibility of a hung parliament.
 


Leekbrookgull

Well-known member
Jul 14, 2005
16,458
Leek
Surely the only way the Euro can 'work' is when all those countries in it have the same basic tax and spend system ? I/E a unified Vat rate and the list goes on. :shrug:
 






drew

Drew
NSC Patron
Oct 3, 2006
24,129
Burgess Hill
With regard to the actual debate, the respective economies of both UK and Greece are entirely different. Tourism is the main industry in Greece and has been hit hard by the global recession and the strength of the Euro.
 


PILTDOWN MAN

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NSC Patron
Sep 15, 2004
20,129
Hurst Green
Main problem for all the parties other then Labour is due to their refusal to have a Spending review prior to the election they do not know the full extent of the debts.

The expected job cuts and saving that will have to happen are those that have really only been created and paid for by the over borrowing for a decade of this government. Now the time to stop these and get back to proper management of the public purse.

The biggest problem I have is all this talk about how great Cable is and poor the others really does not amount to the sum of f**k all. All ministers are laymen, advised by supposed experts around them, well its time some of those experts reap what they have sowed, effectively creating the biggest financial disaster most of us will ever experiance in our lifetime.

I remember the song as Blair come to power "Things can only get better" Yeah right!
 




severnside gull

Well-known member
May 16, 2007
24,915
By the seaside in West Somerset
I'm not sure that this board is the best place to try to legitimise half baked economic judgements based on half understood economic theories. If you were instead to be honest and say "I will blindly support whichever political party no matter what and I think everyone else should too" it would possibly command a modicum of respect rather than derision.
 




beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,289
Surely the only way the Euro can 'work' is when all those countries in it have the same basic tax and spend system ? I/E a unified Vat rate and the list goes on. :shrug:

yep, and unified income tax, centrally collected to the EU Bank, with all budgets centrally controlled. budgets determined by centrally controlled policy. welcome to the federal states of europe.
 


Mellor 3 Ward 4

Well-known member
Jul 27, 2004
10,458
saaf of the water
And Clegg/Cable wanted to take us into the Euro (and still do, albeit now long term)

Portugal will be next, then Spain and Ireland.

Are Germany and France going to bail them out too?
 




Gwylan

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
32,036
Uffern
Can I just say that the above post is a word of warning to anyone who leaves their computer on and unattended whilst their 5 year old daughter is about!!!!


Very literate daughter though. So what exactly is her view on the ramifications of the UK's high public sector debt? :)
 




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