Greatest Striker Since 1960? (Prem/Div 1)

[Bold Seagull]

Dennis Bergkamp, end of thread.

You only have to compare Bergkamp's north london club career with Greaves to see that's nonsense.

Bergkamp - 315 apps 87 goals
Greaves - 321 apps 220 goals.

end of thread.

 

[seagullondon]

For me it is someone ignored by all. Jamie Carragher. What a poacher and goal scorer he has been for the opposition on numerous occasions.

WHAT A FINISH SON

 

[Triggaaar]

I'm sorry, just watch a montage of goals from Best or Greaves then watch one of Bergkamp. His technique is LIGHTYEARS ahead.

Is the poll about who has the best technique to pull off fancy goals in front of goal? No. George best was a better footballer than Bergkamp, Greaves was a better poacher. And yes, I know Bergkamp was great.

You only have to compare Bergkamp's north london club career with Greaves to see that's nonsense.

Bergkamp - 315 apps 87 goals
Greaves - 321 apps 220 goals.

Exactly, how can you see those stats and say Bergkamp was a better striker?

 

[Mellotron]

You only have to compare Bergkamp's north london club career with Greaves to see that's nonsense.

Bergkamp - 315 apps 87 goals
Greaves - 321 apps 220 goals.

end of thread.

If we're just going by cold hard stats this would be quite a boring thread, it would just be "find the person with the best goals to games ratio", and the thread would be over within the first 2 posts.

Surely we're talking about the best attacking player allround, no?

 

[Mellotron]

Is the poll about who has the best technique to pull off fancy goals in front of goal? No. George best was a better footballer than Bergkamp, Greaves was a better poacher. And yes, I know Bergkamp was great.
Exactly, how can you see those stats and say Bergkamp was a better striker?

Why was George Best a better footballer? Can you honestly say if you dropped him into Arsenal's team of a few years ago, or Barcelona, that he'd the same impact? It's very hard to say. But if you just watch videos of each of them, one of them looks quicker, more intelligent, and technically superior.

 

[Mellotron]

Imagine Dennis Bergkamp against the COMEDYFENDING of the 60s. He'd score a hattrick every game. Can't compare.

 

[Mellotron]

Also I think Messi and Ronaldo have to be at least mentioned. They're playing against a better standard of defences a lot of the time and ripping the shit out of them.

 

[The Large One]

Imagine Dennis Bergkamp against the COMEDYFENDING of the 60s. He'd score a hattrick every game. Can't compare.

The Dutch were SHIT at football in the 1960s. There's your comparison.

 

[The Large One]

Also I think Messi and Ronaldo have to be at least mentioned. They're playing against a better standard of defences a lot of the time and ripping the shit out of them.

When did they play in Prem/Div1?

 

[Mellotron]

The Dutch were SHIT at football in the 1960s. There's your comparison.

They really were, weren't they? Obviously (as you well know) they're a bit of an exception, as they were EXCEPTIONAL.

Stick the Dennis Bergkamp of a few years ago against your average Division One defence back in the 60s, he would score 2-4 goals per game. He would also look LIGHTNING, as fitness is that much better now.

You CAN'T compare.

 

[Mellotron]

When did they play in Prem/Div1?

Err Messi hasn't, obviously (hadn't read thread title in full), but Ronaldo?!

 

[The Large One]

Err Messi hasn't, obviously (hadn't read thread title in full), but Ronaldo?!

I thought you meant the buck-toothed beachball.

 

[Seasidesage]

Jimmy Greaves end of.

Best finisher the planet has ever seen never mind England....

 

[Mellotron]

I thought you meant the buck-toothed beachball.

Nah mate. I'm a bit of a sucker for technique, so I love watching Chris Ronaldo, and even allow him his twatty face and attitude, because he's that ruddy good.

That Neymar's not bad either.



UNBELIEVABLE TEKKERS. Someone find me a SINGLE video showing pace, skill, vision and tekkers that good from around the 60s and I will stop my "old football is shit" rantings.

 

[The Large One]

They really were, weren't they? Obviously (as you well know) they're a bit of an exception, as they were EXCEPTIONAL.

Stick the Dennis Bergkamp of a few years ago against your average Division One defence back in the 60s, he would score 2-4 goals per game. He would also look LIGHTNING, as fitness is that much better now.

You CAN'T compare.

You can compare; you have to form an opinion based on the relative progression of football coaching and tactics - both defending and attacking - through the years. For their respective time, Greaves was a better striker than Bergkamp.

 

[Bold Seagull]

If we're just going by cold hard stats this would be quite a boring thread, it would just be "find the person with the best goals to games ratio", and the thread would be over within the first 2 posts.

Surely we're talking about the best attacking player allround, no?

If these were just cold hard stats, then I could understand you, but 344 goals in 478 games, come on, these aren't just stats, no one even gets near this, not even remotely close, he was truly outstanding. Top scoring striker in 4 different seasons, astonishing record. Bergkamp was a great player no doubt, but either he is playing in behind Greaves, or he's on the bench, as he's not getting in any team ahead of Greaves.

 

[Triggaaar]

Why was George Best a better footballer? Can you honestly say if you dropped him into Arsenal's team of a few years ago, or Barcelona, that he'd the same impact? It's very hard to say.

It is hard to say, there's a lot more footage available of Bergkamp to see how good he was. I'm too young to have seen enough of Best, sometimes you have to take into account what others have said. I think Fergie says that Best was the greatest player he saw, and although I take what he says with a pinch of salt, it's still pretty high praise.

But if you just watch videos of each of them, one of them looks quicker, more intelligent, and technically superior.

It depends which videos you watch.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Why was George Best a better footballer? Can you honestly say if you dropped him into Arsenal's team of a few years ago, or Barcelona, that he'd the same impact? It's very hard to say. But if you just watch videos of each of them, one of them looks quicker, more intelligent, and technically superior.

Well, we all have our opinions, no matter how strange. Dennis Bergkamp wasn't even the best striker in his own team, let alone anything else!

 

[Mellotron]

If these were just cold hard stats, then I could understand you, but 344 goals in 478 games, come on, these aren't just stats, no one even gets near this, not even remotely close, he was truly outstanding. Top scoring striker in 4 different seasons, astonishing record. Bergkamp was a great player no doubt, but either he is playing in behind Greaves, or he's on the bench, as he's not getting in any team ahead of Greaves.

But then have you seen Ronaldo's stats in Spain? Does that make him better than Greaves? Surely.

2009–

Real Madrid

78 games

83 goals

As I say, that's against a higher standard of defending.

 

[Mellotron]

You can compare; you have to form an opinion based on the relative progression of football coaching and tactics - both defending and attacking - through the years. For their respective time, Greaves was a better striker than Bergkamp.

So it's guesswork, basically. You can only go on what you see, no one has any clue how good any strikers from the 60s or 70s would be now. Would they cope with the expected fitness demands made of nowadays strikers?

It's two totally different worlds.