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[Music] Greatest British 80`s Band -THE FINAL
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I'm new to this contest but thank god the Smiths didn't make it anywhere near this final. Bunch of self-indulgent, whining, miserabilists. Good to see they got no popular support.
With the benefit of hindsight the best 80s band were probably The Fall. But as they're not in the final I've voted for the Jam. Love the Jam. And Madness come to that. But not the Smiths. Loathe the Smiths.
With the benefit of hindsight the best 80s band were probably The Fall. But as they're not in the final I've voted for the Jam. Love the Jam. And Madness come to that. But not the Smiths. Loathe the Smiths.
I understand school disco types who are into Madness, not liking the Smiths. That's fine.
But HANG ON A MINUTE! The Smiths were self-indulgent miserabilists, but the best band of the 80s were The Fall?
Irony much? great though he is Mark E Smith is just about the most self indulgent and miserable bloke in world music!
The Fall did miserable, bitter, angry, rage, funny and exasperation. Comparing the Smiths to them is like comparing a dandelion to a mighty oak.
That's fine. You're clearly not familiar with much of the Smith's output. No worries.
On the contrary - I was a student in the 1980s. Had to listen to that shit morning, noon and night. (Well not morning, obviously I wasn't up in the mornings).
I'm not a big Smiths fan, but I wouldn't call them a 'bunch' of miserabilists, Johnny Marr is a brilliant guitarist, Morrisey's vocals aren't everyone's cup of tea but musically they are very good.
I don't like or dislike The Fall, but I couldn't name any of their songs of the top of my head.
But I'm happy with one of my favourite bands , The Jam in the final.
I can't even bring myself to vote, did the Clash even make it out of the group stages?
I think they did but we're up against The Jam and The Specials.
Are you a big Clash fan?
You make a good point. Much as I dislike the Smith overall, I can see the originality of Marr's stuff. But he'd have been so much better without the preening, prat upfront.
My theory of music (and you'll be glad we waited for this) is that there are two types of rock musicians. Those who do it because they're compelled to do it and those who do it because they've been to drama school/wish they'd gone to drama school/crave adulation/really want to be actors and for everyone to love them. Into the latter camp we can throw all the smug, self-satisfied, self-mythologising sociopaths like David Bowie, Morrissey, Damon Albarn. Death to the lot of them in a fiery hell of their plastic pomposity.
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spring hall convert
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I'm too young and hip to like "indie," we'll leave that to the c86 club. The latter sounds a brilliant idea.
Enjoy your victory.
I posted in another round of this competition that Johnny Marr carried The Smiths, I expected to get slated for saying that, but nobody said a word.
I keep hearing Marr on the radio, I'm not sure if it's a single but it's called Easy Money, sounds nothing like The Smiths and worth a listen.
I can see where your coming from with your theory of music, but I wont agree 100% as I like some of Bowie's stuff, that doesn't mean I like him, so maybe I will agree.
I'm too young and hip to like "indie," we'll leave that to the c86 club. The latter sounds a brilliant idea.
Enjoy your victory.
You've lost me with the c86 club
JM was the greatest musician in the band. You'll get no arguments on that from me, or from any Smiths fans I'd imagine.
The guy is a genius. His Smiths guitar work was incredible. His work on The The was great. Loved the Johnny Marr and the Healers album - much better than The Messenger IMO. easy Money is the new single yes. Decent enough. Bit MOR.
Morrissey is/was Morrissey. There are few, even hard core Smiths fans who will not admit the guy is a knob. A brilliant, charismatic, super-talented knob, but a knob no less.
spring hall convert
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You've lost me with the c86 club
It's gonna be a long night
https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showthread.php?282823-Indietracks-Festival-all-things-C86-and-indiepop!
But the rewards...
Good points.
I'm guessing JM also has a new album, have you heard any of the other songs.
I can't add any more to what you have said about Morrisey.
There is 101 pages on that thread, sorry but could you explain what c86 means to an old git like me
Is is a code for ' bands I haven't heard of ? '
Easy Money is the first track. Not heard anything else yet.
The guy has barely put a foot wrong in 4 decades, though.
I even quite liked the much-maligned Electronic, with Sumner.
spring hall convert
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There is 101 pages on that thread, sorry but could you explain what c86 means to an old git like me
Is is a code for ' bands I haven't heard of ? '
It was a tape given away with the NME in 1986 which has become shorthand for a specific type of lo-fi, melodic, indie-rock.
But yeah it's basically code for a specific type of band you haven't heard of, though I think I'm right in saying Primal Scream featured on the original tape. You may have heard of them.