Chesney Christ
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Again, a full list of countries who have been thrown out of tournaments for winning them then?
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Again, a full list of countries who have been thrown out of tournaments for winning them then?
I think you're going to need another break from here now. Why are you bothering ?
Chesney Christ
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Which country was as bad as England in the 70s and 80s then......................?
Chesney Christ
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You're right. Banging my head against a right-wing brick wall. Cannot believe this is even a debate.
Would love to see some of the views on here shared with the families of the victims of the Heysel victims.
Some things never change, NSC is one of them....
atfc village
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Rangers banned from Europe 72 73 season after winning The Cup Winners Cup after SCOTTISH fans rampaged.
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The reaction to Heysel was the final straw after years of English fans running riot in European cities. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the locals weren't up for it, but it happened time and time again. Then the European cup final 44 get killed live on TV. It's just that in an attempt to stem the hooligan problem UEFA and the government decided on a European ban. As a result our football suffered. It also boosted the hooligan element when England played abroad. There were other countries that had just as bad hooligan issues by the mid 80's but English teams had the problem for 15years previous and then were perceived to be responsible for 44 dying in a European Cup Final. There is no way it had anything to do with who had won the tournaments in the past. To think that is ignoring the facts in place of blind xenophobia.
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Mostly it would have been........
......England.
Remember the "English disease"
nwgull
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They've all had their hooligan problems domestically, or
had fans that would be up for a fight in their own cities - Galatasary for example - but you're right: no other country had, or has had, hooligans that would travel and cause aggro on the same scale as England.
There are some proper lefties on here by the way.
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I don't know much about Graham Roberts, but to suggest that the ban was anything other than a reaction to the horrendous behaviour of some 'fans' is ludicrous. I now know that Graham Roberts appears on TalkSport though, which renders his opinion null and void.
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Mrs Thatcher told the FA to remove clubs from Europe before any ban by UEFA was discussed.
Obviously a UEFA ban might have happened anyway but the length and scope of the ban might have been different if it wasn't for the pre-emptive move by the FA under govt pressure.
http://www.theguardian.com/fromthearchive/story/0,,1496054,00.html
The ban was 5 years in the end with Liverpool's ban eventually being 6 years. Liverpool would have been in the European Cup for 3 of those years, Everton twice, and Arsenal in 89/90.
Obviously a UEFA ban might have happened anyway but the length and scope of the ban might have been different if it wasn't for the pre-emptive move by the FA under govt pressure.
http://www.theguardian.com/fromthearchive/story/0,,1496054,00.html
The ban was 5 years in the end with Liverpool's ban eventually being 6 years. Liverpool would have been in the European Cup for 3 of those years, Everton twice, and Arsenal in 89/90.
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Pretty disrespectful to the victims too IMO....
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The UEFA view at the time as reported by the Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/fromthearchive/story/0,,1496054,00.html
Mr Jacques Georges, the UEFA president, said: 'The committee will have to judge and they must be decisive. This is not a matter of football but humanity. We cannot tolerate the continuation of this apalling behaviour.'
The UEFA secretary, Mr Hans Bangeurter, said: 'My personal view is that, having written so often about this problem, having warned for so long, the only consequence now can be to suspend, definitely, the club involved. Whether there will be an extension I don't know. Theoretically, it could go as far as suspending the national team from European competitions.
'We have reached the stage now where football is at the crossroads. We cannot and are not willing to let this game be killed by irresponsible elements who have no place in football stadiums.'
He warned that sanctions would be 'extremely severe.'
http://www.theguardian.com/fromthearchive/story/0,,1496054,00.html
Mr Jacques Georges, the UEFA president, said: 'The committee will have to judge and they must be decisive. This is not a matter of football but humanity. We cannot tolerate the continuation of this apalling behaviour.'
The UEFA secretary, Mr Hans Bangeurter, said: 'My personal view is that, having written so often about this problem, having warned for so long, the only consequence now can be to suspend, definitely, the club involved. Whether there will be an extension I don't know. Theoretically, it could go as far as suspending the national team from European competitions.
'We have reached the stage now where football is at the crossroads. We cannot and are not willing to let this game be killed by irresponsible elements who have no place in football stadiums.'
He warned that sanctions would be 'extremely severe.'
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If Roberts did say that, it is a total disgrace. I cannot believe that you are getting flack for making such a point but society has changed for the worse in many ways. Having said that I'm sure 99.99999% Liverpool supporters are very sorry and would not have done what they did if they knew of the outcome.
There isn't one - what a stupid question to ask. However, a list of countries where football hooliganism was - and still is in many cases - is a fairly long list.
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If the ban had really been about humanity or justice, then surely the people who declared Heysel suitable for a european final should've been punished? As should the idiots on crowd control. A ban for Liverpool would've have been a reasonable response, but banning all English clubs was clearly political although nothing to do with winning. Liverpool fans behaviour was appalling but the condition of the stadium and the total failure of the policing operation were major factors too.
A ban suited all parties, the Tories were seen to be 'doing' something, the FA were their usual spineless selves and UEFA needed to be seen to act.
A ban suited all parties, the Tories were seen to be 'doing' something, the FA were their usual spineless selves and UEFA needed to be seen to act.
Really
The Italian brand of hooliganism shocking. So is the violence at matches in Turkey, the racism in Eastern Europe. One off? - do you wear the same brand of spectacles as Sepp Blatter?
Yes, that tragic death is the one I was referring to, but obviously my memory was inaccurate - I thought the young man had been stabbed, but obviously that wasn't the case. I was right about the match though - Birmingham vs. Leeds. What's West Brom got to do with it, though? (and no, West Brom isn't in Birmingham, although it is near it).
Sorry my bad. You are correct it was Blues v (Dirty) Leeds.
I was mixing it up with Leeds at West Brom in 1982
http://youtu.be/KLkMu5c-Nfc
nicko31
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Its typical of TS but will appeal to its audience. Its dire radio for Sun readers.