[Brighton] Graham Potter

[albionalex]

Yeah you've said that already. I'm saying Potter improved us in every single metric, even a slight increase in points. And that you can also see Potter is a better manager by watching the games. You still haven't disproven either of those points, which is fine, we can agree to disagree.

Every single metric apart from league position (although that could change this season).

Potter will always have better metrics than the likes of Hodgson and Dyche but that doesn't make him a better manager.

Senior football is a results business and ultimately that will dictate who is a better manager.

 

[albionalex]

glenn

I said players, not player

 

[rogersix]

Fair enough, but did we fail to beat them twice? And Palace?

i have fear in my belly watching both managers for different reasons, the big difference for me, is the HOPE!

a rapid big lump up top would obviously help, but i'm sure we will be much improved next season

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

i have fear in my belly watching both managers for different reasons, the big difference for me, is the HOPE!

a rapid big lump up top would obviously help, but i'm sure we will be much improved next season

I hope you’re right. I can cope with us selling, if we get the goal scoring forward....... sometimes it’s the hope that kills you.....

 

[macbeth]

Every single metric apart from league position (although that could change this season).

Potter will always have better metrics than the likes of Hodgson and Dyche but that doesn't make him a better manager.

Senior football is a results business and ultimately that will dictate who is a better manager.

We've come a full circle here. My original reply to you was that using league position alone to determine who is a better manager is an incredibly shallow way of looking at things, and that your opinion that league position is the only thing that matters in determining who is better is subjective to you can is not the dictionary definition of how you rank managers.

Well it is if you’re saying you didn’t see us beat them.
We beat Palace twice in Hughton last season, WBA was our first PL win and they went down.

Good job I never said that then.

 

[rogersix]

I said players, not player

obvs, bloomy is a bread head, big boy, business man,

but, secretly, whose team do you think the little boy inside tony would prefer to watch?

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Good job I never said that then.

Apologies you didn’t, just we were dominated by them....... WBA I accept.

 

[albionalex]

We've come a full circle here. My original reply to you was that using league position alone to determine who is a better manager is an incredibly shallow way of looking at things, and that your opinion that league position is the only thing that matters in determining who is better is subjective to you can is not the dictionary definition of how you rank managers.



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I don't think that league position alone is how 'who is a better manager' should be determined. It's not a perfect measure.

It's like people who say 'the league table doesn't lie'. Well, now we have xG stats etc., we can see that maybe the league table does lie a bit.

However, at the end of the day, as I have said, senior football is a results business. If Burnley win the league next season with hoofball and we get relegated with Potterball, who would be the better manager?

 

[albionalex]

obvs, bloomy is a bread head, big boy, business man,

but, secretly, whose team do you think the little boy inside tony would prefer to watch?

Huh?

You're supposed to be giving me a list of all those players from CH's first season that would get into our current team.

 

[macbeth]

I don't think that league position alone is how 'who is a better manager' should be determined. It's not a perfect measure.

It's like people who say 'the league table doesn't lie'. Well, now we have xG stats etc., we can see that maybe the league table does lie a bit.

However, at the end of the day, as I have said, senior football is a results business. If Burnley win the league next season with hoofball and we get relegated with Potterball, who would be the better manager?

Well obviously Dyche but that's an entirely hypothetical scenario that won't happen. My point here is that yes, senior football is a results business, but that business extends beyond the position in the table. At least here it does anyway, otherwise Potter probably would've been sacked by now.

 

[vagabond]

Its frequently said that the team / individual players should be happy there are no fans around. Is the Brighton fanbase really that toxic?

Nah.. it’s really not. No worse than any other crowd that can get frustrated.

The most toxic I can remember the Amex being is still under Hughton in some of his darker days towards the end. Under GP I do recall there being some groans if we’re trailing a game and we start passing around the back. But more impatience and frustration then anger.

Just part of being a football fan innit. I love Maupay but I can’t lie, I’ve sworn at him watching games on tv this season as he spurns another chance.

 

[albionalex]

Nah.. it’s really not. No worse than any other crowd that can get frustrated.

The most toxic I can remember the Amex being is still under Hughton in some of his darker days towards the end. Under GP I do recall there being some groans if we’re trailing a game and we start passing around the back. But more impatience and frustration then anger.

Just part of being a football fan innit. I love Maupay but I can’t lie, I’ve sworn at him watching games on tv this season as he spurns another chance.

I think it was against Milwall but there was one game under Hypiaa where it was incredibly toxic, I think the fans booed him when he threw a ball to one of our players.

 

[albionalex]

Well obviously Dyche but that's an entirely hypothetical scenario that won't happen. My point here is that yes, senior football is a results business, but that business extends beyond the position in the table. At least here it does anyway, otherwise Potter probably would've been sacked by now.

Why would Potter have been sacked by now?

I think we can agree that from what we have seen so far, the potential is there for the results to come and for us to move up the table.

But until those results do come, we should refrain from saying he's a better manager than CH.

 

[vagabond]

I get that it can be hard to talk about GP's achievements thus far without seemingly diminishing the fantastic work that CH did, but I think playing style and results aren't two separate entities. By that, I mean we had totally hit our ceiling in terms of results under CH's playing style. I think Potter's style allows us much more room to progress, even though on the face of it there hasn't been a massive upturn.

We're performing better in nearly every single metric since GP took over, and there is a school of thought that sees the 'result' as more than the final scoreline. Look at Palace, for example. Their results haven't been terrible, as such, but the fans bemoan the terrible performances week in week out. If that was us, if we were performing terribly every week but still getting okay results, would people on here be happy? No, they'd be living in fear of the wheels inevitably falling of, and there'd be a huge sense of apathy, as you simply aren't ever going to improve your position in the table by playing poorly. That's an extreme example, and a world away from the performances we got under CH, but my point is that saying GP hasn't improved results is slightly subjective.

“We're performing better in nearly every single metric since GP took over, and there is a school of thought that sees the 'result' as more than the final scoreline. “

This is the crux of it for me, and I suspect, for Tony as well. We can see huge potential under GP and the positive changes he’s brought to the club. To overlook all of that, in favour of just checking the short term results, seems a bit.. short sighted.

Now that’s not to say things are locked in. If we went down there would naturally be an inquest. And if hypothetically, our results don’t improve over the next few years there may also be one. But it’s still only our second season under GP and for me, and I suspect the club and most of our fans we’re loving what we’re seeing and excited to see how far this young talented squad can go under Potter.

 

[rogersix]

Huh?

You're supposed to be giving me a list of all those players from CH's first season that would get into our current team.

of the current squad, who would start for hughts? with his 6-3-1, and sometimes gm dropping in?

 

[albionalex]

“We're performing better in nearly every single metric since GP took over, and there is a school of thought that sees the 'result' as more than the final scoreline. “

This is the crux of it for me, and I suspect, for Tony as well. We can see huge potential under GP and the positive changes he’s brought to the club. To overlook all of that, in favour of just checking the short term results, seems a bit.. short sighted.

Now that’s not to say things are locked in. If we went down there would naturally be an inquest. And if hypothetically, our results don’t improve over the next few years there may also be one. But it’s still only our second season under GP and for me, and I suspect the club and most of our fans we’re loving what we’re seeing and excited to see how far this young talented squad can go under Potter.

Your logic is counterintuitive.

So people that say GP hasn't improved results are short sighted (even though they're saying that results usually take a few seasons to come)?

But people that say GP is a top manager but are only using the short term positive changes and ignoring results are not short sighted?

 

[albionalex]

of the current squad, who would start for hughts? with his 6-3-1, and sometimes gm dropping in?

So you couldn't name any, huh?

 

[macbeth]

Why would Potter have been sacked by now?

I think we can agree that from what we have seen so far, the potential is there for the results to come and for us to move up the table.

But until those results do come, we should refrain from saying he's a better manager than CH.

I think most managers would be under significant pressure after an 8 game winless run. But luckily the board can see past that and see what he's produced. Clearly you need more evidence to say he's better than CH, which is perfectly reasonable, but I've seen enough now and I'm very prepared to stick my neck out and say he's a better manager than CH.

 

[vagabond]

Your logic is counterintuitive.

So people that say GP hasn't improved results are short sighted (even though they're saying that results usually take a few seasons to come)?

But people that say GP is a top manager but are only using the short term positive changes and ignoring results are not short sighted?

I think what I said is quite clear, I can’t help you if you’re confused.

 

[rogersix]

So you couldn't name any, huh?

as someone else has posted, orses for courses.

i'm merely highlighting the futility of your question. hughts' philosophy was play for a draw and try to nick one, (even in the champ), and potter tries to win.
they therefore pick players to suit, ie hughton would never start tross