Government prevent publication of 'positive' immigration report

[Machiavelli]

Hmmm, but it is not a one way street is it, how are these costs being estimated, does it for example reflect the impact student populations have on local housing, local services, jobs, healthcare etc. I am not saying there are no positives but like most matters (immmigration included), it is not a simple binary issue.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/5078652/Hundreds-of-bogus-colleges-exposed.html

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/may/12/eu-graduate-unpaid-fees-50m

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...versities-The-breeding-grounds-of-terror.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11877034

Students tend to rent, so that's a boon for the landlords/buy-to-let that are economy seems to be based around (and the 'recovery' is based on). Students tend to be young, so don't tend to use the health service that much. It's not quite clear what you mean by local services, but I'm not convinced that immigrant students use them much either. They may well work as well as study. I'd suggest that this is a positive: they become taxpayers. So, it's not really a binary issue, it seems to be hugely beneficial to the economy, and to exports particularly.

Capping or eliminating student numbers might provide pleasure or reassurance to some, but there's little else of benefit that it brings.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Reminds me of that gag about a bomb going off in the centre of grimsby and causing £100 million worth of improvements.

Are you sure it was Grimsby and not Croydon ? £100M worth of improvements would cover the whole of Lincolnshire

 

[cunning fergus]

Students tend to rent, so that's a boon for the landlords/buy-to-let that are economy seems to be based around (and the 'recovery' is based on). Students tend to be young, so don't tend to use the health service that much. It's not quite clear what you mean by local services, but I'm not convinced that immigrant students use them much either. They may well work as well as study. I'd suggest that this is a positive: they become taxpayers. So, it's not really a binary issue, it seems to be hugely beneficial to the economy, and to exports particularly.

Capping or eliminating student numbers might provide pleasure or reassurance to some, but there's little else of benefit that it brings.

Students tend to rent and rising demand will push up prices generally, you may think that is good however I don't. In addition I was bought up in Moulsecoomb and my gran lived in Hannover Terrace, both areas of Brighton that changed beyond recognition because of students........not all of that is good.

Students are young but their demands on the health system are different, abortions, contraception, stds, the implications of substance and alcohol abuse........etc.

The point I was making to the poster who pointed to HE repressing a 15bn bonanza to the country is that it depends on the analysis, stats can be collated and interpreted to prove most arguments. As a more general point we have more people at university than ever, yet we are told the country needs more qualified immigrants........they will leave university in appalling debt and face the most challenging job environment in years. Many won't repay their debt and will face years of penury...........the Govt can produce as many reports as they want, sometimes it just doesn't stack up.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ne...-students-in-britain-will-get-an-std-freshman

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2010/aug/08/student-accommodation-rents-increase

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-14488312

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2013/nov/25/student-borrowing-rise-unsecured-debt

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...tes-from-worst-universities-left-jobless.html

 

[portslade seagull]

Every point in explaining.

I'm just pointing out two of their - if not policies - intentions.

well I'm voting UKIP as well so that is two of us, and I will gladly tell the other 3 parties to f-off if they come knocking at my door as they are all forever changing tact

 

[The Large One]

well I'm voting UKIP as well so that is two of us, and I will gladly tell the other 3 parties to f-off if they come knocking at my door as they are all forever changing tact

By that doesn't say why you are voting for them - only that you're not voting for the others.

I could ask why you wouldn't vote for the other three, but I guess internet space is finite.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

agree, while set up ostenibly for UK independence they seem to get sidetracked on the immigration issue, which is one of the the least concerns with being in the EU.

of course it is
regards
DR

 

[TSB]

This was widely reported two weeks ago. It may have been shelved, but the electorate (well, us, anyway) are aware.
Didn't make the front page of the Daily Fail. Quelle Surprise.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

So basically this?

AND THEY'LL BE TAKING a few more in the new year
regards
DR

 

[Seagull on the wing]

Just be true to yourself...The EU is so corrupt that unless you stand up to it you will pander to the EU apologist. EU accounts have not been verified for 13 years...there is so much nepotism that it is a family club...(ie. Kinnock,his wife,his son,his daughter..and all their secretaries,researchers and other hanger ons) The Euro is a rotten currency that is in freefall,they have the higher unemployment figure for young people than in Britain. They bend the rules to suit themselves,but if we try to do it we get threatened with huge fines. The European Court for Human Rights elect themselves barristers and lawyers (not Judges) to rule over our Parliament...if your happy to be ruled by an unelected body then so be it...but I'm not.
The first movement towards the EU was a Free Trade Market where you were not taxed for for your exports...good idea...then it came to being more political..loss of our fishing grounds...paying for corrupt French Farmers to claim for holding acres that weren't in existance and cattle that never existed.
I have no problem with immigration providing they are genuine immigrants and not health tourist or people that move here for benefits.
I stand by my views,if you have a problem with it,then it's your problem not mine...I just want to be governed by a government that was elected by the people....tin hat on now....FIRE!

 

[Machiavelli]

Students tend to rent and rising demand will push up prices generally, you may think that is good however I don't. In addition I was bought up in Moulsecoomb and my gran lived in Hannover Terrace, both areas of Brighton that changed beyond recognition because of students........not all of that is good.

Students are young but their demands on the health system are different, abortions, contraception, stds, the implications of substance and alcohol abuse........etc.

The point I was making to the poster who pointed to HE repressing a 15bn bonanza to the country is that it depends on the analysis, stats can be collated and interpreted to prove most arguments. As a more general point we have more people at university than ever, yet we are told the country needs more qualified immigrants........they will leave university in appalling debt and face the most challenging job environment in years. Many won't repay their debt and will face years of penury...........the Govt can produce as many reports as they want, sometimes it just doesn't stack up.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ne...-students-in-britain-will-get-an-std-freshman

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2010/aug/08/student-accommodation-rents-increase

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-14488312

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2013/nov/25/student-borrowing-rise-unsecured-debt

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...tes-from-worst-universities-left-jobless.html

Two points relating to your comments which, broadly, I agree with. Rising house prices in the UK over the past three decades or so is largely the result of two things: firstly, neoliberalism; and, secondly, the fact that housebuilding in the UK has failed to keep up with demand, which itself is caused by a combination of neoliberalism, population growth and shifting demographics. Although it got drowned out by his proposed freeze on energy prices, probably the two most important aspects of Ed Miliband's 2013 conference speech was his commitment to build 200,000 houses a year, alongside the attempt to reconfigure the NHS in what I regard to be a positive manner (integrating social care into the NHS, and taking mental health more seriously -- in stark contrast to the negative manner pursued by New Labour, with its PPP/PFI schemes).
The second point is that I agree with virtually all you say about the expansion of the student body, except for two points. First, yes, stats can be deployed in all sorts of nefarious ways, but given the size of the UK HE sector and its high international regard, it really has to be one of our best export industries. Second, the 'qualified immigrants' that we are told we need are often skilled in a trade, rather than those that have a university degree.
That is all … for now, at least.

 

[User removed 4]

Such as?

Insularity?

From someone who has been pretty much insulated from mass immigration and it's effects where he lives and grew up , the irony , and lack of recognition of this fact, is staggering.