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[Da Man Clay]

I realise I'm being a pedantic old bastard - but HOW does it cover promotion? You don't get a 'cup' for winning the division (it's a 'trophy') and you don't go 'up' for it. You certainly don't get one for coming second and I think even the play-off prize is called a 'trophy'.

However I will graciously, as a special treat, let you sing it when we're playing Boston in the League Cup as it is relevant then!

Whats the difference between a cup and a trophy? Are they not one and the same in football?

GOING UP, would cover going up a division and therefore promotion.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Love you Dave

love you more

 

[tedebear]

love you more

Stop it, my knees are all a quiver - I'll need a cup of tea if this continues

 

[Jesus Gul]

The pre-1983 words, "going up and we'll win the cup" was a statement: we're good enough to get promoted and win the FA or League cup.

We couldn't go up any further in the four years pre-1983 as we were in the top flight. The words have a 1950's ring about them I think.

 

[Brovion]

Whats the difference between a cup and a trophy? Are they not one and the same in football?

GOING UP, would cover going up a division and therefore promotion.

Eh? I think you're tying yourself up in knots here. 'Going up to win the cup' is at least gramatically correct and my argument was just that it was narrow and inappropriate. But you're now saying 'going up' means changing division as opposed to the idea of physically 'going up' to somewhere - So how can you then follow that with the word 'to'? Now it really doesn't make any sense! You were better off with your original argument unless you want to sing "Oh we're going up to the next div up" which will be gramatically correct - but not very stirring.

Oh and there IS a difference between a Cup and a Trophy - the FA Cup and FA Trophy are two different competiutions

 

[Da Man Clay]

Eh? I think you're tying yourself up in knots here. 'Going up to win the cup' is at least gramatically correct and my argument was just that it was narrow and inappropriate. But you're now saying 'going up' means changing division as opposed to the idea of physically 'going up' to somewhere - So how can you then follow that with the word 'to'? Now it really doesn't make any sense! You were better off with your original argument unless you want to sing "Oh we're going up to the next div up" which will be gramatically correct - but not very stirring.


Fair point there, Ive not thought of that one.



Oh and there IS a difference between a Cup and a Trophy - the FA Cup and FA Trophy are two different competitions

As true as that as, they are both in essence the same thing. Basically the FA Trophy is just a lower league FA Cup is it not? Or am I thinking of another competition?

 

[Moshe Gariani]

is the world cup a trophy?

 

[tedebear]

I thought it meant going up as in driving up to Wembley to win the cup? But hey, I'm a girl so I am most certainly wrong...

 

[Da Man Clay]

Definition of trophy

trophy n. , pl. -phies . A prize or memento, such as a cup or plaque, received as a symbol of victory, especially in sports.

Definition of cup

cup (kup) n. A decorative cup-shaped vessel awarded as a prize or trophy.

So in essence the same thing, so going up to win the cup can be any torunament/league.

 

[Brovion]

Definition of trophy

trophy n. , pl. -phies . A prize or memento, such as a cup or plaque, received as a symbol of victory, especially in sports.

Definition of cup

cup (kup) n. A decorative cup-shaped vessel awarded as a prize or trophy.

So in essence the same thing, so going up to win the cup can be any torunament/league.

In essence the same, but being pedantic again - they're not. Lower level clubs enter both the FA Cup AND the FA Trophy, ergo in football terms they have two separate meanings. However I'll grant you at times they can be used interchangeably - in 1966 the 'World Cup' was officially called the 'Jules Rimet Trophy'. However it's usually pretty obvious what term should be used. No one talks about the 'Premiership Cup'.

However my (new) argument with you is the interpretation of the term 'going up'. In the original words it meant 'going up' as in getting promoted. In the 1983 version it meant, as Tedebear said, 'going up' to London to win the cup. You can have it meaning one or the other but not both at the same time! (See previous post).

EDIT - Sorry, I've just read your previous post and noticed you agreed with me! I'll stop now.

 

[Dave the OAP]

This thread is brilliant

 

[Withdean Wanderer]

"Cup" isn't specific - it could mean any trophy in that context.

 

[Brovion]

This thread is brilliant

I know! I can't believe we've had three pages discussing TWO WORDS!

Well two pages anyway, the first page was Adi.

 

[Trufflehound]

When does a "cup" become a "mug"?

 

[tedebear]

To the girls so kind that we left behind
In Sussex by the Sea

WHAT!! I just read that - does that mean I can't go to London to get the cup? Blah - sexist poo that is!!

 

[tedebear]

When does a "cup" become a "mug"?

When its won by a Liverpudlian?

 

[Da Man Clay]

In essence the same, but being pedantic again - they're not. Lower level clubs enter both the FA Cup AND the FA Trophy, ergo in football terms they have two separate meanings. However I'll grant you at times they can be used interchangeably - in 1966 the 'World Cup' was officially called the 'Jules Rimet Trophy'. However it's usually pretty obvious what term should be used. No one talks about the 'Premiership Cup'.

But when the song was used first was it not the first division cup? Or was it the first division trophy? Im not sure as I wasn't about!

 

[Da Man Clay]

WHAT!! I just read that - does that mean I can't go to London to get the cup? Blah - sexist poo that is!!

Im sure we can make an exeption. Dont think it will happen soon though.

 

[Trufflehound]

When its won by a Liverpudlian?

I see.

So, about every four years then?

 

[tedebear]

Im sure we can make an exeption. Dont think it will happen soon though.

Yes well I do like my rose coloured spectacles you know...