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Gordon Brown resigns as Labour leader [merged]
- Thread starter Kalimantan Gull
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folkestonesgull
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This tug of war could drag on for the rest of the week. I'm loving it. UK political landscape could change for ever, even without PR it is now clear that coalitions are always an option in future elections.
I saw Michael Portillo, of all people, suggest exactly that at the weekend.
Oh god, I take it all back.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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I was assuming he would resign with immidiate effect. instead he continues as PM untill the party conference, which is a poor deal for those that rejected him at the ballot box and makes him a rather powerless PM in charge of a minority government. great.
given notice would be better. Thatcher gave notice know it would be resolved in a couple of weeks not 4 months. is there any precedent for this?
In principle, I agree with this idea. It would take a heck of a lot of working out though, as if the PM was not the leader of the largest party/coalition in Westminster it would make her/him a lame duck. I don't think the parties will ever agree to such a drastic change too.
Shame, as I agree with you.
Can't balme Brown for that - just the Labour party's rubbish system of selecting a new leader.
I saw that the other way, victory for campbell
I see no reason why it can't be done quicker either. Fair enough, for stability stay on for a month to hand over power more smoothly but why so long? If he died would we really wait five months for a new PM?
No, not great at all, but if the Cons/LibDems can't agree a deal, then the natural alternative is to cobble together an alliance elsewhere for a short term in office.
folkestonesgull
Active member
Unless labour manage to push through legislation for a change in the voting system and call a subsequent general election I still think Cameron will be PM, this just increases the lib dems negotiating position further.
Torys are really hungry for power - I expect a deal to be struck between lib and conservatives as its the only way to avoid a further general election and the libs will see this as a one off chance to have people within the cabinet and/or really influence policy, with or without PR.
If lib dems side with labour what will the buy off cost be to the country (as in england) for them to gain the minority support?
Torys are really hungry for power - I expect a deal to be struck between lib and conservatives as its the only way to avoid a further general election and the libs will see this as a one off chance to have people within the cabinet and/or really influence policy, with or without PR.
If lib dems side with labour what will the buy off cost be to the country (as in england) for them to gain the minority support?
Kalimantan Gull
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Odds on next leader:
David Miliband 4/7
Alistair Darling 8/1
Alan Johnson 10/1
Ed Miliband 11/1
Ed Balls 12/1.
If Dave Miller Band is such an odds-on favourite, is there the possibility he could be annointed without an election as per Brown, and thus speed the process up?
David Miliband 4/7
Alistair Darling 8/1
Alan Johnson 10/1
Ed Miliband 11/1
Ed Balls 12/1.
If Dave Miller Band is such an odds-on favourite, is there the possibility he could be annointed without an election as per Brown, and thus speed the process up?
Why would Cameron be PM if there is an alliance with over 321 MPs against him. The PM will be the new leader of the Labour party.
It is clear there are major stumbling blocks remaining with regard to Lib Con pact.
1. Ideologically they are further apart than Labour and the Lib dems.
2. They went into the negotiations stating that they were looking for agreement with regard to political reform, taxation and education. Today the lib dems announce they are still seeking agreements on these three issues.
3. It's not up to Clegg to decide. He has to get the backing of his MPs, many of whom are further to the left than him and also of the party.
With Brown now going, that is a major hurdle removed as far as Clegg was concerned in relation with a Lib-Lab pact.
The question is whether Cameron will fight another election? If a form of PR is brought in following a referendum and the Tories don't get into power then he is dead in the water.
Insel affe
HellBilly
If Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, and the welsh lot not to mention the other lot from Northern Irleland all get together to form a weak unstable goverment. This is not what Gordon Brown was on about when he said "it is his duty to try to form a stable government"............. Cock :US:
We will now be held to ransom by the Scotts,Welsh, and Irish and the English will pay dearly for it. This country could well be going in the same direction as Greece,Spain etc as the City will not like what there hearing.
Last one out switch the lights out will ya.
Cant we just all revolt
We will now be held to ransom by the Scotts,Welsh, and Irish and the English will pay dearly for it. This country could well be going in the same direction as Greece,Spain etc as the City will not like what there hearing.
Last one out switch the lights out will ya.
Cant we just all revolt
Cant we just all revolt
I thought we had and voted this shambolic discrace of a government out. But they won't f*** off.
folkestonesgull
Active member
i'm just not sure that a "rainbow coalition" would work, effectively with every party against the conservatives, despite them receiving the highest number of votes and winning the most seats in the election. Surely there would be too much self interest to get legislation through?
If you look at a map of the uk showing the election results you would effectively have a coalition of scotland, wales & northern ireland ruling westminster. Would this last?
If you look at a map of the uk showing the election results you would effectively have a coalition of scotland, wales & northern ireland ruling westminster. Would this last?
Lord Bracknell
On fire
Did you not notice the 14th Earl of Home? The skeletal individual who could only understand economics if he could play with a pile of matchsticks on the table?
If Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, and the welsh lot not to mention the other lot from Northern Irleland all get together to form a weak unstable goverment. This is not what Gordon Brown was on about when he said "it is his duty to try to form a stable government"............. Cock :US:
We will now be held to ransom by the Scotts,Welsh, and Irish and the English will pay dearly for it. This country could well be going in the same direction as Greece,Spain etc as the City will not like what there hearing.
Last one out switch the lights out will ya.
Cant we just all revolt
Of course it will be unstable, it would be if there was a coalition with the Tories. The point is that whomever they form a coalition with, the critical thing is the referendum on electoral reform. Once that happens then there will be another election. If there isn't a referendum and one party or another tries to go it alone as a minority, there will still be another election within 12 months.
But the electorate didn't vote them out. The winning post is 326 seats and your tory boy Cameron cocked it up. Allegedly the most hated prime minister ever, supposed illegal wars, world recession and Cameron still can't win a majority.
They have now cocked up the negotiations and I have now heard Hague grovelling to the Lib-dems that they will agree to a referendum on the preferential vote.
I very much suspect that Clegg wants to do a deal with the Tories but the rest of his party don't.
Beach Hut
Brighton Bhuna Boy
And me Con Dem or nothing in my view
pork pie
New member
The easy answer would be to go again. Simple election with a Conservative candidate and a Labour/Liberal candidate. Let the people decide.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
The Labour Party constitution requires all candidates to receive the written support of at least 12.5% of the members of the Parliamentary Labour Party. In 1997, only Gordon Brown achieved this.
This time, if David Miliband is the only candidate who can get 33 colleagues to nominate him, then he'll be elected without a contest.
The people who claim that Brown "wasn't elected" are simply WRONG. The candidates who opposed him couldn't muster enough support to make a contest of it.