Leekbrookgull
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I stand to be corrected,however i have yet to hear anything from Gordon Brown on the crisis in Georgia. Has he said anything ? Or performed his usual trick of disappearing ? 
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Gordon Brown, on Georgia.
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clippedgull
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The Clown of Pevensey Bay
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David Cameron is going to Georgia today. That'll be the same David Cameron who criticised Gordon Brown for going to Iraq in order to score political points...
Walkers Cajun Squirrel
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Does anyone actully no why russian went in
It was becuase georgia started bombing russian people and killed over 1500 of them.
It was becuase georgia started bombing russian people and killed over 1500 of them.
withdeanwombat
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In fairness Blair got slated for trying to sort out every other country and leaving ours to slide into the situation, we are now in.
Not that it was ever his fault, but he's there to be shot at (shame nobody was accurate enough).
Personally I'd be happy if we reigned ourselves in and if France want to take on a world role, let them.
Not that it was ever his fault, but he's there to be shot at (shame nobody was accurate enough).
Personally I'd be happy if we reigned ourselves in and if France want to take on a world role, let them.
glasfryn
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I don't think even they know .....but would think the Kemlin would be thinking its a nice way to embarrass the Georgians and stamp some authority on a breakaway state
I've been quite p*ssed off by the way this has been reported in some quarters. This is the same situation as Kosovo, but because the loyalties are the other way around, we have completely double standards - esp. the US.
The Georgians attacked first to retake the breakaway republic of South Ossetia, as if the Serbs had done that with Kosovo. The Russians came in to defend them, but then admittedly went way too far - the comparison would be the EU troops going half way to Belgrade.
The Russians have gone too far, but they did not start the conflict, and have to feel threatened by US Policy to encourage all of Russia's neighbours to join NATO.
We need to be concerned about Russia, but this goes back to Bush being one of the most disastrous US Presidents in history. He's taken peace in the Middle East back a few notches, left the US Economy a wreck, and now seems hell bent on starting WW3 by showing no empathy with the way the Russian's might be feeling at the moment...
The Georgians attacked first to retake the breakaway republic of South Ossetia, as if the Serbs had done that with Kosovo. The Russians came in to defend them, but then admittedly went way too far - the comparison would be the EU troops going half way to Belgrade.
The Russians have gone too far, but they did not start the conflict, and have to feel threatened by US Policy to encourage all of Russia's neighbours to join NATO.
We need to be concerned about Russia, but this goes back to Bush being one of the most disastrous US Presidents in history. He's taken peace in the Middle East back a few notches, left the US Economy a wreck, and now seems hell bent on starting WW3 by showing no empathy with the way the Russian's might be feeling at the moment...
NMH
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It reminds me of The Falklands.
So, were we the bad guys for taking back control after an aggressor invaded?
So, were we the bad guys for taking back control after an aggressor invaded?
That's utter bulls**t. Russia did start this conflict. Period. Or how could you explain the fact that Russians took their troops (including hundreds and hundreds of tanks) to Georgia so fast (note: it would take NATO couple of weeks to month and a half and EU up to 3 months to send their forces to conflict area)? How could you explain the fact that Russia just finished repairing the roads and railway they haven't used for ages nearby Northern Georgia? Or how could you explain the fact that this so-called president of South Ossetia, Eduard Kokoitõ (Kokoity), is a former criminal, informer of FSB... today just a muppet of Kremlin (he has always got aid from Moscow just to create conflicts and blow the coals between Georgians and South-Ossetians)?
Btw, the USA doesn't have to encourage any of Russia's neighbours to join NATO... if you want to have any sort of security while being neighbour of Russia you need to be the member of NATO. Because as I said earlier: NATO is the only force (besides the US that is) in the world that Russians fear...
Easy 10
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But the Russians REACTED to Georgian troops attacking seperatists in South Ossetia. The Georgians were the (initial) aggressors. Seems to me they grossly miscalculated the Russian response.
Robot Chicken
Seriously?
Things are maybe not as they seem. Watch this video broadcast.
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Then read this:
http://americangoy.blogspot.com/2008/08/usa-and-israel-knew-beforehand-of.html
Mr Burns
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So much for free speech!! f***ing nuke em all!!
Well yeah, that is another thing. Although to me the word 'aggressor' marks in this context country that annexes his neighbour country... South Ossetia is by no means independent (brakeaway) republic (as said by shaun_rc), so you cannot call Georgia an agressor.
To me this news-clip seems as a made-to-order interview... I don't see a 12 y o girl emphasizing the fact that there were Goergian troops attacking... At least not by herself. I think that to any other 12yo it wouldn't have mattered who attacked as she/he would have been shocked to make difference between the uniforms...
As for the 2000 killed (as claimed by russians and the lady at the video)... it's actually more like 200, at least less then 1000. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/13/georgia
I could find many links that show what Russians/Ossetians are doing... but time for bed now.
Just this one at the moment... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/18/georgia.russia
Interested for more? Pictures??
Easy 10
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I think you are selecting what you want to believe, efafan. Its not as cut and dried as "Russia didn't start this conflict. Period." And who are you to doubt the eyewitness account of a 12 year old girl ? She comes across as fairly savvy, not sensationalist at all, and she was THERE !
I'm not saying Russia are right for trampling all over Georgia. But you cannot just absolve Georgia from blame.
I'm not saying Russia are right for trampling all over Georgia. But you cannot just absolve Georgia from blame.
NMH
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Slobodan Milošević was heavy-handed in reacting on behalf of Serbians, but was "trampled all over" by the West.
Was Clinton wrong in leading his nation and allies against Serbian forces?
Was Putin as wrong or more so for putting an end to rampant aggressions and an attempt at war-like desire for power by the Georgia President Mikheil Saakashvili?
His promise to withdraw as soon as aggressions were ended, was kept. He also acted early to put paid to the issue before it had become any bigger.
In my opinion, the US did not need to send a 'peacekeeping force' over there, except to play at 'the World's cavalry coming over the hill' and keep themselves on the map as a force to be reckoned with - even if that's worn a bit thin now.
Still, not much harm done and Russia probably needs to be reminded that they're still monitored, anyway.
Yeah, I admit I might be a bit biased but then again... I could say that since I live much nearer to the Russian Federation (+ have lived in the Soviet Union and seen/heard/studied its terror/propaganda) I might have little bit more information on Putin, Russia and this conflict in general. Not to mention I get to see both Russian TV channels and BBC/CNN... So I am not saying the girl was lieing, I wanted to stress the point that most of the 12 year old girls couldn't care less what uniforms were the soldiers wearing, they would have just yelled or sth while being attacked. I am saying that she was probably told to say the words she did...
Since I have studied history and international relations I know that nothing is as black and white as it can be seen. But I haven't denied that Georgian troops attacked South Ossetia first (see my previous posts on other threads)... the roots of this conflict lie much deeper than that of last Friday. It was probably planned by Russia long time before first shots were fired... so it is wrong to say that Russians went in just to defend Ossetians and Russians in that region. And of course it was not in the interests of Saakašvili to have this conflict smouldering (probably not the right word here) forever... so he probably underestimated Russia and hoped that the western powers would help Georgia much faster if needed.
What are you talking about? Russia continued to bomb Georgian military buildings after signing cease-fire not to mention Russian soldiers looting in many towns. I mean Medvedjev agreed to and signed Sarkozy ceasefire deal that would see both sides return to their initial positions before fighting erupted last week. Even today that's not happening! Or when I want to believe Russians that say they are pulling out but it takes time, some questions arise... how on earth can Russia take their troops to Georgia in a few hours while pulling the troops back will take days, maybe even weeks? You tell me...