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Good ol' Delusional Naylor.
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Southover Street Seagull
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Oh but this team is not Mickey's team, we have to give him time to build his own team, right?!!!
This performance of the team at the moment is simply not good enough and I can't personally see it getting any better under Adams, thanks for the good days Mickey all those years ago, but I'm afraid it's time for you to leave the club.
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Hannibal smith
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Naylor isn’t as bad as he is often made out but this is a flawed article in so many ways
If I remember we lost to Mansfield because half our team were suffering from the Flu and the other half had disappeared back from their loan spells. Mansfield was the nadir of our season – Nothing to me suggests we have hit rock bottom yet. We also had about 3 games in hand all at home at this stage last year so our position in the league was arguably false. Our season turned when played and won most of those games.
Contrary to Naylors belief, the manager MUST make a difference. If it’s the job of the manager to get the best out of the players then Adams has f***ed up Royal. Cox, Robinson, Whing, Richards and Murray at a minimum are worse this year than last – Not to mention Lynch. Some if not all of the blame lies at the managers door. If people working for me perform poorly I would get moved on – So should Adams.
Naylor mentions Westlake as a quality signing. He would surely have been available for loan this year as he went to Cheltenham (I think). On that basis, the manager must have deemed other loan signings as a better option which calls his judgement into question if this player is so good that Adams couldn’t see it.
Lastly, It’s not all village idiots calling for Adams head. NSC and Withdean has its fair share of twats. Some of the people questioning what the f*** is going on this year are amongst the voices of reason.
If I remember we lost to Mansfield because half our team were suffering from the Flu and the other half had disappeared back from their loan spells. Mansfield was the nadir of our season – Nothing to me suggests we have hit rock bottom yet. We also had about 3 games in hand all at home at this stage last year so our position in the league was arguably false. Our season turned when played and won most of those games.
Contrary to Naylors belief, the manager MUST make a difference. If it’s the job of the manager to get the best out of the players then Adams has f***ed up Royal. Cox, Robinson, Whing, Richards and Murray at a minimum are worse this year than last – Not to mention Lynch. Some if not all of the blame lies at the managers door. If people working for me perform poorly I would get moved on – So should Adams.
Naylor mentions Westlake as a quality signing. He would surely have been available for loan this year as he went to Cheltenham (I think). On that basis, the manager must have deemed other loan signings as a better option which calls his judgement into question if this player is so good that Adams couldn’t see it.
Lastly, It’s not all village idiots calling for Adams head. NSC and Withdean has its fair share of twats. Some of the people questioning what the f*** is going on this year are amongst the voices of reason.
judewri
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i can't believe naylor has written this rubbish................. 
its a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
its a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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Well, I had a slightly different interpretation of what he said on the radio to what he subsequently posted on here, but we all say things in the heat of the moment.
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From Chesney Christ:
There's so many holes in his argument its not true.
Firstly, he said that we were not doing a lot better under Wilkins at
the same time last season. At this stage last season, we were 12th, with
games in hand to the teams above and below us. So, things WERE much
better because we were 8 places higher.
Secondly, we were not performing appalling week in week out. There were
obviously some poor performances last season but nothing that matches
the worst 5 or 6 performances this year.
Thirdly, Adams' has already done his rebuilding so why all this nonsense
about bringing player in in January? He has already (unlike Wilkins)
signed loads of players this season, not to mention all the loanees.
There's so many holes in his argument its not true.
Firstly, he said that we were not doing a lot better under Wilkins at
the same time last season. At this stage last season, we were 12th, with
games in hand to the teams above and below us. So, things WERE much
better because we were 8 places higher.
Secondly, we were not performing appalling week in week out. There were
obviously some poor performances last season but nothing that matches
the worst 5 or 6 performances this year.
Thirdly, Adams' has already done his rebuilding so why all this nonsense
about bringing player in in January? He has already (unlike Wilkins)
signed loads of players this season, not to mention all the loanees.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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I don;'t understand this football cliche about needing to "give a manager time to build his own team".
Did Mourinho have to build his own team? No, Ranieri had got Chelsea to the Champions League semi-final and was responsible for making Cech, Terry, Lampard and Gudjonsson into global superstars.
All Micky really had to do was tweak one or two things. Unfortunately, he broke up the Elphick / Lynch axis, didn't sign a decent permanent left-back, failed to bring in essential central midfield creativity and didn't bring in any striking cover. He further muddied the waters by bringing in 2 central defenders and rehiring Mayo and Hart.
Did Mourinho have to build his own team? No, Ranieri had got Chelsea to the Champions League semi-final and was responsible for making Cech, Terry, Lampard and Gudjonsson into global superstars.
All Micky really had to do was tweak one or two things. Unfortunately, he broke up the Elphick / Lynch axis, didn't sign a decent permanent left-back, failed to bring in essential central midfield creativity and didn't bring in any striking cover. He further muddied the waters by bringing in 2 central defenders and rehiring Mayo and Hart.
Mendoza
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Ah yes, well that makes it so much better for our Micky
I just did some research at the table last Christmas and end of last season, Naylor has a point......
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The Large One
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Yes and no.
He needed to do more than one or two things - it's unlikely that squad he inherited would be have been Play-off material (we were reliant on loan signings last year too), short as it was on a decent central midfield player (we haven't had one since Sidwell - and this Division just doesn't have many anyway) and a decent enough left-back. It was certainly nowhere near good enough to survive in the Championship.
Unfortunately what he has done has gone hopelessly wrong.
I didn't accuse him of lying.
Barnham Seagull
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Bournemouth went down on 48 points last season!
Back on topic - last season is constantly being re written by the club and those repoting on it.
Back on topic - last season is constantly being re written by the club and those repoting on it.
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Joel Lynch, Joel Lynch, Joel Lynch and Joel Lynch. Now a Championship player.
Virgo Elphick Hinshlewood and Lynch would be a perfectly good enough defence for challenging at the top of League One.
I would argue Hammond was decent as well. Between all the players we've had over the past season or so there could easily be a Championship standard midfield in there (O'Callaghan, Westlake, Thornton, Savage (used correctly!), Hammond, Livermore, plenty.)
Naylor on weak ground there, half right, half wrong.
Wilkins supporters often say "reached 7th", which is factually true end of season position.
However, the progress in the latter half of that season was that for a time it looked as though we had a very good chance of overtaking weakening clubs above us,and making 6th. In fact we trailed away from the play-off positions, and at the same time stronger rumours started circulating about relationship beween team and team management.
At which time Directors had to step in, and make plans towards at best a least-worst solution to an unsustainable situation.
Not sure why Booker comes in for so much stick - as previously, his postion is more trainer and motivator, not manager.
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Answered your own question. Players look horrendously unfit and unmotivated.
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I'd give ANYTHING to be trailing away from the play-off positions right now.
Because our players' apparent lack of effort is down to either lack of fitness (responsibility of the trainer) or lack of motivation (down to the er, motivator)?
This doesn't remove the issue with tactics, and positional knowledge, etc that are the responsibility of thre manager (along with further motivation)
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Joel Lynch is not that good at left-back - at least, his best games were in the centre. Anyhow, he chose for himself to get the hump and go bench-warming in Nottingham, so he can reap what he sows. Having said that, he didn't even warm the bench last Saturday, despite recovering from injury.
I was talking about the team Micky inherited. On paper you might be right about those six players you've mentioned, but at no time were any four of those at the club at the same time, so it's hard to judge.