Mr Burns
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You're right there He''s none of those things. Now thats a play on words.
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GOD: How much do you believe in him?
- Thread starter El Presidente
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Indeed. I see Mr Burns is still being pedantic, looking at words and not ideas. One thing I should have made clear in my earlier posts, is that, philosophically, I was putting forth an idea of what God could be, not what God is, because no one knows.
It's interesting how this has gone from a belief in 'God' (I am assuming that the OP wasn't referring to the biblical one), to a tennis match between christians and non-christians. Most of the posts lead me to believe that there's not much to choose between them.
I'm not too fond of christians (as a whole - speaking purely from my experience with them) and like many here find their opinions overbearing.
My best friend and soulmate became a born again christian many years ago, which placed a huge strain upon our friendship. He moved away and became heavily involved in the YMCA as a counsellor - and yes, he genuinely was trying to help.
It did him no favours when on a late night call-out to one of his clients, it resulted in him being fatally stabbed through the heart. He would have said it was 'god's will' - I would have said it was a deranged bastard with a knife.
However, that has not and does not stop me from being open to the idea that a 'god' of sorts can still exist - just one that has no interest in what we get up to on this little planet. After all, there's a whole universe/s to occupy yourself with.
I'm not too fond of christians (as a whole - speaking purely from my experience with them) and like many here find their opinions overbearing.
My best friend and soulmate became a born again christian many years ago, which placed a huge strain upon our friendship. He moved away and became heavily involved in the YMCA as a counsellor - and yes, he genuinely was trying to help.
It did him no favours when on a late night call-out to one of his clients, it resulted in him being fatally stabbed through the heart. He would have said it was 'god's will' - I would have said it was a deranged bastard with a knife.
However, that has not and does not stop me from being open to the idea that a 'god' of sorts can still exist - just one that has no interest in what we get up to on this little planet. After all, there's a whole universe/s to occupy yourself with.
Are you saying that the teachings of JC are irrelevant today? If science can explain everything than how is there a planet earth? a solar system, a universe? did it come from nothing? Nothing comes from nothing. There has to have been a divine creator.
Mr Burns
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Say someone who lives his life by what a character in a two thousand year old book tells him to do!!! Ha Ha Ha. That's the gag of the day!
Simon Morgan
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Some of the opinions held by atheists nowadays are at best ignorant, at worst almost confrontational. The theories that are held within Darwinism and religion are in some cases very complex and it makes me cringe seeing people band them around so freely and with such ignorance. For some, putting the question in the 'Does God exist?' form slightly misses the point...
Despite the fact that my line of work means I go to church 8 times a week, I still don't really know how I feel about the religion question. But I will say that many Christians I know see their faith not as a strong belief in the truth of the Bible but in leading 'Christian' lives and possibly using the Bible as a guide for doing this. The whole thing can be far more symbolic and far less explicit than people make out. Of course, this isn't to say that there aren't a number of people within religion (specifically referring to Christianity here) whose preaching does more harm to the reputation of their religion than good. But the negative stigma that comes with having faith stems from an ignorance that is far greater than that of the accused.
To make the Creationist question to be one of 'God or Darwin' does a pretty major disservice to the complex dimensions within both schools of thought. Whilst the emergence of Darwinism has been very important in shaping people's views on the issue of religion, the fact that Cathedrals and churches are still open with big congregations suggest that religious faith possibly goes beyond ideas of science or just 'being ignorant'.
Despite the fact that my line of work means I go to church 8 times a week, I still don't really know how I feel about the religion question. But I will say that many Christians I know see their faith not as a strong belief in the truth of the Bible but in leading 'Christian' lives and possibly using the Bible as a guide for doing this. The whole thing can be far more symbolic and far less explicit than people make out. Of course, this isn't to say that there aren't a number of people within religion (specifically referring to Christianity here) whose preaching does more harm to the reputation of their religion than good. But the negative stigma that comes with having faith stems from an ignorance that is far greater than that of the accused.
To make the Creationist question to be one of 'God or Darwin' does a pretty major disservice to the complex dimensions within both schools of thought. Whilst the emergence of Darwinism has been very important in shaping people's views on the issue of religion, the fact that Cathedrals and churches are still open with big congregations suggest that religious faith possibly goes beyond ideas of science or just 'being ignorant'.
No, there MIGHT be...equally, there might not.
Judge not lest ye be judged!
Mr Burns
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Nothing at all. But if you think huge parts of it are laughable, then surely the part that says there is a god looking down on us who is everywhere, is the most laughable part of it!!Whats wrong with picking out parts of any book and thinking hey thats a good idea, think i will do that.
I did say maybe, as in fairness I dont know, but my mind is open to the possibility where yours is firmly closed.
Fine, interpt the bible how you see fit, but where so much of it is so flexable to fulfil any belief someone can have, surely the overall figure of GOD, is the most laughable part of it.
Mr Burns
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Very poor comeback , even for you. Off cause you wouldn't want anyone to judge you. Wouldn't be pleasant hearing would it. You carrying on living your sad little life of mummy and daddies bank account. Maybe they'll let you paint your bedroom a different colour for your 30th? That will be nice for you wont it. Give you something to do and some meaning in life.
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Science is not unable to explain the things youy talk of, it is people and their lack of understanding of science that cannot explain everything.
No they don't. Can you tell us of any miracles you have witnessed (if you think you can you're being naive)?
No, Muslims do not believe in the same god as Christians. And Christians have Moses and Co too.
I find it amusing that even those who are spending so much time stating that it's fact that god doesn't (or can't ) exist, yet express a hope that it IS true. The mind boggles!
Mr Burns
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Is there still a question of God or Darwin?
Not being funny, but I thought large parts of the church had accepted Darwins theories of evoultion, and adapted to it?
Er...? Either:
A) Something can exist without a cause, in which case there is no need for a god.
Or
B) Something cannot exist without a cause, in which case - where did the divine creator come from? Does there have to have been an even diviner creator-or? And then another... and another... and another...?
There does not have to be a divine creator at all. It is but one of many conjectures - with no evidence to support it other than your inability to believe that it might not be right...
No there does not 'have' to be a divine creator. Regardless of whether you believe in one or not, that doesn't help answer the question, because where did the devince creator come from - what was he up to before creating the universe?
As a side point for you, the planets were created from energy, but I don't know where that came from - if that was created by a devine being, the question above still remains.
What science has proven (to those willing to listen) is that what we have been taught about god is a pack of lies. It doesn't mean that no deity of any description exists though.
Mr Burns
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He's getting shown up by all sides now!! It'll be quiet for a minute or three, until his good book tells him what you say..... [awaiting random bible quote or random smiliey]
beorhthelm
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ok, so if that is your position, why bother to defend god at all? why did you say:
the basic teachings of Jesus are quite far removed from the rest of the bible (before and after), though drawing heavily on other myths and philosophies, i doubt many atheists would object much to their value. they are not "divine", but the opinions of philosopher.
make up your mind.
Whom are you referring to?
Isn't that the point of this thread?