[Albion] Goals to shots stats

[Fourteenth Eye]

For those wondering, this season we have had 74 shots, 25 of which were on target & we have scored 10 goals

Your welcome

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Some interesting ones.

The stats in Saturday's Doncaster v Gillingham game, are ridiculous:

Doncaster had 32 shots (13 on target) and Gillingham had THREE.

It finished 3-3.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45846490

 

[Pavilionaire]

Have to add though... I am a statistician. I work in insurance and look at stats and propoensity models constantly. But I go to football to be entertained. I will look at the stats for a game I didn't see but when I have seen a game and compare what I saw to the stats, I am squarely in the "Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics" camp. You never get a true view of the game from the numbers that are readily available to Joe Public!

I am a qualified accountant and so instinctively feel that the numbers should be giving a far better indicator of outcomes than they do at present.

In baseball players are often defined by their key performance statistics: he hits 30+ home runs a season, he'll steal 40 bases a season, he'll pitch at under 3 earned runs a game, he'll get more than 3 hits in 10 at bats.

People expect the likes of Man Utd to beat Brighton because Sanchez cost £69mill and Fred cost £50mill whereas Gross cost £3mill and Murray cost f*ck all, but where are the key stats that really show how effective or ineffective these players are?

 

[neilbard]

Post the list so we can see for ourselves?

 

[Sheebo]

It's about time football got its act together over meaningful stats.

Number of shots is a meaningless figure. What is relevant is the percentage of shots that a) are on target and b) result in goals.

Similarly, % of possession is a meaningless stat. What is relevant is the ratio of proper chances created per 90 minutes of possession.

On target and off target are also misleading as a bullet header that pings the bar counts as off-target but a tame shot from 20 yards into the keeper's breadbasket counts as on-target.

In Major League Baseball they have adjudicators who score plays as either hits or fielder errors. We need the same in football. A greater weighted emphasis on goal-scoring chances created will put pressure on teams to deliver the numbers, which should make for more attractive football. Newcastle is a classic case in point of a team that tap it around to boost the possession stats and try ill-judged shots that boost their shots tally.

Beleaguered managers then point to these stats as some sort of justification for "deserving something out of the game" when what counts is quality, not quantity.

I think there’s waaaay too many pointless stats that have crept into football anyway. I ignore most of them.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

i watched the recent Spain v England game on a stream, it was NBCSNs coverage I think, one of the commentators asked the other about all these statistics we get now, from %possession, shots, Xg, running totals , the list is endless. I wish I could remember who it was, but he came up with the most meaningful analysis of it all... (I am paraphrasing here) Well, (insert name of commentator), they are all basically meaningless, made up stats to give pundits like us, who dont know any better something to talk about. The only stats that matter are how many goals you score and how many you concede, anything else is just twaddle.

Most sensible thing any football pundit or commentator has said in years

Except it isn't, is it. What he's saying is utter tosh. It's like a businessman saying "I don't care about anything aside from sales numbers". In reality, there are so many variables that influence sales numbers, that to overlook such things as the "how" shows not only an ignorance of the subject matter, but probably suggests that long term said business wont be especially successful as they wont know how they're going to go about getting better sales numbers, or lowering costs etc etc

 

[nickbrighton]

Except it isn't, is it. What he's saying is utter tosh. It's like a businessman saying "I don't care about anything aside from sales numbers". In reality, there are so many variables that influence sales numbers, that to overlook such things as the "how" shows not only an ignorance of the subject matter, but probably suggests that long term said business wont be especially successful as they wont know how they're going to go about getting better sales numbers, or lowering costs etc etc

to a great extent I agree with you, obviously the manager needs to know if his striker can hit a barn door from 5 feet or if any given player can pass the ball accurately. BUT its all too much when u get stats like, % wins on a monday evening in November, Kane never scores in September or whatever it was, . Im not saying the managers don't want and need all sorts of stats, but the twaddle some pundits come out with is (imho) just stuff to fill a bit of time