The argument goes that Europe has a 150 year head start on burning huge amounts of fossil fuels so China, India and the rest are allowed a bit of leeway to develop, however this argument falls down as Europe in a mad did to meet its net zero has exported most of its heavy production to China, India and the rest! Until we in the developed West set standards regarding how China, India and the rest need as part of specification for production requires renewable energy the problem is it will cost us the consumer
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[Misc] Global Warming
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The argument goes that Europe has a 150 year head start on burning huge amounts of fossil fuels so China, India and the rest are allowed a bit of leeway to develop, however this argument falls down as Europe in a mad did to meet its net zero has exported most of its heavy production to China, India and the rest! Until we in the developed West set standards regarding how China, India and the rest need as part of specification for production requires renewable energy the problem is it will cost us the consumer
Bold Seagull
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It's not financially motivated because it is cheaper to go a renewable route with wind / solar farms that build new coal power stations, so it is politically motivated rooted in archaic economic models where it feels like jobs, GDP are all created if you keep the organ grinding going.
Wierdly, China are also capable of some really cool projects like this floating solar farm:
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sydney
tinky ****in winky
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It's not financially motivated because it is cheaper to go a renewable route with wind / solar farms that build new coal power stations, so it is politically motivated rooted in archaic economic models where it feels like jobs, GDP are all created if you keep the organ grinding going.
Wierdly, China are also capable of some really cool projects like this floating solar farm:
Yes mate , that is my point exactly , China are literally light years ahead in technologies in general but they still have a need for coal fired stations. Solar panels , wind turbines and wave harnessing equipment do not manufacture themselves and "the wests" intention to wipe out the use of fossil fuels will just leave them vulnerable at the market place when it comes to purchasing renewable energy technologies currently available and those that will will be in the future , the underlying catch cry from the Asia region is that coal offers by far the cheapest source of energy........one can only hope that these new stations coming on line are advanced enough to have hugely reduces emissions.
another gut wrenching aspect of it from an Australian point of view is that having crushed the union movement the current govt. has got into bed with companies like Adani whose environmental record is appalling and after the construction stage the mines are highly automated so jobs will be at a minimum and largely filled by Indian nationals .....who will all , of course , require special visas ....it's a massive rort.
Kalimantan Gull
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I'm guessing from the tone of your post that you're not interested in hearing any more 'hysterical bleatings' from the likes of me.
If you want an answer to your post in a nutshell, it is this. There is a conflict between the short-term interests of those in power, and the long-term interests of society as a whole.
This is a common theme in the last days of human societies, before they finally collapse. You and I may well be dead before we see the full reality. Our children though.....
sydney
tinky ****in winky
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i am open to intelligent debate mate , my kids are in their early 20's and environmentally conscious , they have been dragged around Africa and Asia and have seen numerous shit holes and toxic environments , what i am pointing the finger at is the hypocrisy involved with America and Europe trying their best to cut the use of fossil fuels at huge expense as opposed to the unfettered continuation and expansion of fossil fuel power in other parts of the world whose population dwarfs the previously mentioned entities.....half the population of the globe , thats a lot of sewage , which in itself is a massive problem.
Kalimantan Gull
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Is not hypocrisy, it's just leaders (of pretty much every country really, at varying degrees) following their short term interests ahead of the long term interests of their society.
Some countries are worse than others, we need them to change, they won't change unless we change.
Certainly the answer isn't to not bother ourselves because others aren't as fastidious as us, that's an even quicker route to disaster.
banjo
GOSBTS
Felt like it today. Very mild February day.
Freezing temperatures not seen for decades in Scandinavia cause widespread disruption
Temperatures plunge to below -40C in Nordic region with most parts blanketed in heavy snow
www.independent.co.uk
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
This needs to be in the More Snow Tomorrow thread.Freezing temperatures not seen for decades in Scandinavia cause widespread disruption
Temperatures plunge to below -40C in Nordic region with most parts blanketed in heavy snow
Freezing temperatures not seen for decades in Scandinavia cause widespread disruption
Temperatures plunge to below -40C in Nordic region with most parts blanketed in heavy snow
That'll reverse the past hundred and fifty years of rising temperatures. Phew.
highflyer
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- Jan 21, 2016
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Careful now...Freezing temperatures not seen for decades in Scandinavia cause widespread disruption
Temperatures plunge to below -40C in Nordic region with most parts blanketed in heavy snow
AstroSloth
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- Dec 29, 2020
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RandyWanger
Je suis rôti de boeuf
The Earth's eccentricity, obliquity, and precession are what is causing climate change.
Nothing you or I do will change that, especially any extra tax in the form of carbon credits.
Nothing you or I do will change that, especially any extra tax in the form of carbon credits.
The Hermit Kingdom
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- Oct 29, 2023
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The amount of rainfall is obscene, is this the future of our UK winters? We had a ladybird fly into our office yesterday, surely another sign of how messed up things are as they should be hibernating.
nicko31
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Weather are climate are different things, just incase you didn't realiseFreezing temperatures not seen for decades in Scandinavia cause widespread disruption
Temperatures plunge to below -40C in Nordic region with most parts blanketed in heavy snow
Europe is getting hotter. Are cities prepared for what lays ahead?
2023 was Earth's hottest year on record. With 2024 expected to be even warmer, is Europe prepared for what lays ahead?
www.euronews.com
2nd warmest year in the UK too despite a mediocre summer
deletebeepbeepbeep
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- May 12, 2009
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We've had some daffodils flowering in our baskets.
Give the climate scientists a ring to let them know.
Greg Bobkin
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Evidence of the climate, er, changing, then?Freezing temperatures not seen for decades in Scandinavia cause widespread disruption
Temperatures plunge to below -40C in Nordic region with most parts blanketed in heavy snow