Glenn Murray.....

[Mellotron]

Adam Virgo has given an insight into what might have been going on in Poyet's mind when that decision was made. Virgo considers himself a friend of Murray and they both played for Poyet in season 2009-10. Virgo was a guest at a BHACHS meeting in January 2014 and a summary of what he had to say was reported in the Spring 2014 edition of "The Albion Chronicle", the society magazine. It included the following:-



If Virgo is right, it would appear that our promotion prospects were snuffed out not by a low ceiling but by hubris.

Fascinating, thanks for sharing this. Letting go of Murray for this sort of reason - whilst frustrating - makes far more sense than believing it was for any footballing reasons.

 

[Dirk Lehmann's Python]

Makes me laugh. All these years on and Thunderbolt can't bring herself to admit Gus totally cocked up. He thought we could play without a big man up front. It took him about 3 months of Championship football to admit he'd massively cocked up (Paynter, Vokes etc). The writing was on the wall before Murray left, all the interviews with him and Gus about his future were very strange indeed. They didn't get on, which is why we made only a derisory offer. Gus thought he knew best and for once ballsed it up.

If you read back on these threads pretty much everyone accepts this apart from Yorkie and only a couple of others who are still blinkered about Poyet.

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[drew]

Now that I cannot believe. Murray had signed for Palace a good month before CMS even talked to us, & two other clubs. I doubt the club knew what they were going to offer him, because of the other offers.
We do know that CMS said he turned down higher money to come to us.

Very odd that you seem willing to believe the club offered less than his existing salary on the back of him being top scorer and the club getting promoted!!!!

Murray left on the 20th May and CMS signed on the 4th July. You really believe that the club weren't already sounding out CMS's agent until a week or so before he signed.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Very odd that you seem willing to believe the club offered less than his existing salary on the back of him being top scorer and the club getting promoted!!!!

Murray left on the 20th May and CMS signed on the 4th July. You really believe that the club weren't already sounding out CMS's agent until a week or so before he signed.

I never said anything believing the club offering less than his existing salary. I said he accepted less than the other clubs were offering. I would assume that was more than Posh were paying him.

It's a debate about a situation where there is more than one side of a story.

 

[ditchy]

Loved the way Knockaert stood aside as he saw goal bound Glenn about to smack home his third.

Would he have not been offside if he touched the ball ?

 

[Betfair Bozo]

It's probably a fair assumption that Poyet undervalued him with that contract offer and compounded the problem by signing a worse striker at considerable cost. To be fair, even that wasn't obvious for a season because CMS's first season was probably better than Murray's for Palace.

It was a mistake by Poyet, undoubtedly. But what is sad is that people are re-writing history by calling him a prat. Poyet remains one of the best managers we've ever had here. I think he deserves a bit more respect than he gets by too many people on here who seem to forget his contribution to this club with each passing year.

It is possible to be one of our best managers and a prat. Some of Gus's behaviour is deserving of such a label. (Suarez, play off reaction, faux shock on the BBC etc etc.)

 

[Betfair Bozo]

The first season at the Amex CMS scored 11 goals. Murray hadn't ever played on the Championship before, & scored 6.
There weren't too meant complaints on Nsc about that. It was when Freedman left, & Holloway took over, that Murray started to score goals. Then most fans started complaining with the benefit of hindsight.
Poyet tried to get him back via a swap with Hoskins, but Gary Dicker broke his leg in training, so it didn't happen.

I don't know how one would go about locating here but there was actually a thread on this very board comparing GM and CMS before there was even any hint of interest in the latter from the club which would probably be enlightening. I know I contributed so might be setting myself up for a fall!

 

[Murray 17]

The figures I heard re. wages were that he was on 8k, we offered him 9k, Palace offered 15k, and he said he would stay for 11k.

Bearing in mind this was 5 years ago, he'd never played higher than League One, and we all know how much he likes living in Brighton, I think this is very feasible.

 

[Simster]

It is possible to be one of our best managers and a prat. Some of Gus's behaviour is deserving of such a label. (Suarez, play off reaction, faux shock on the BBC etc etc.)

I don't dispute that, but it's the context in which he is called a "prat" that irks me. He is not a prat because he made a mistake over strikers because he massively in credit on the footballing side.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I don't dispute that, but it's the context in which he is called a "prat" that irks me. He is not a prat because he made a mistake over strikers because he massively in credit on the footballing side.

I loved Gus Poyet. The Murray thing was a big mistake but we're all human. Gus' behavior immediately after the St Patrick's day massacre was disrespectful to the fans who had been waiting a long time for a performance like that against our rivals. His interview on radio Sussex was appalling and took the shine from the day almost as soon as the match was over. He was petulant after that point and the way he behaved on MOTD was similarly poor. There are a lot of stronger things that could be said about Poyet, prat is not all that strong is it?

 

[Spanish Seagulls]

And amongst all of this there is poor old CMS, he is the one who suffered most from the move.

 

[Soulman]

The figures I heard re. wages were that he was on 8k, we offered him 9k, Palace offered 15k, and he said he would stay for 11k.

Bearing in mind this was 5 years ago, he'd never played higher than League One, and we all know how much he likes living in Brighton, I think this is very feasible.

Virtually spot on.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I don't dispute that, but it's the context in which he is called a "prat" that irks me. He is not a prat because he made a mistake over strikers because he massively in credit on the footballing side.

That depends.

He'd not be a prat over a decision on the strikers, made for PURELY football reasons. All managers make errors of judgment, however good.

If however he allowed his decision to be unduly influenced by issues of personality or EGO, then the cap fits.

 

[carlzeiss]

And amongst all of this there is poor old CMS, he is the one who suffered most from the move.

Yeah , suffered to the tune of 2million pound in wages .

 

[MattBackHome]

I don't dispute that, but it's the context in which he is called a "prat" that irks me. He is not a prat because he made a mistake over strikers because he massively in credit on the footballing side.

Weirdly I think that 'prat' isn't the worst term for Gus.

There's no doubting at all that he was absolutely one of the best managers we've ever had, but his obvious flaws (lack of plan B, inflexibility, combativeness, occasional truculence) are so pronounced and evident that I'm left with the impression that he could have been (could be) even better than he is with a small amount of personal development. What sort of a person wouldn't want to address these faults, in full knowledge that it would make him a better manager? A bit of a prat, that's who.*

I get what you're saying though and I'll go into bat for Gus against anyone who thinks that he was anything less than an excellent manager.

*Of course it's possible that these flaws actually contributed to his positive features as well (e.g. the inflexibility in how we set up for games meant that everyone was absolutely 100% sure of their role) and that he felt that compromising any of this sort of stuff would actually diminish his ability. Or maybe he was just stubborn.

 

[WATFORD zero]

*Of course it's possible that these flaws actually contributed to his positive features as well (e.g. the inflexibility in how we set up for games meant that everyone was absolutely 100% sure of their role) and that he felt that compromising any of this sort of stuff would actually diminish his ability. Or maybe he was just stubborn.

This is what I think. The very character traits which mad him so successful and entertaining when things were going right were the very traits that led to his leaving when things didn't go right and has probably defined his career since. Single minded or inflexible, genius or prat etc etc

 

[Easy 10]

The fact that we started life at the Amex in the Championship with such a bloody good team well equipped for the step-up, is largely down to Gustavo Poyet. He put in place the backbone of a squad that finished a comfortable 10th, and then went on to make the Playoffs two seasons running.

Yes Bloom helped finance it, but it was Poyets team. I don't think we should take for granted that ANY old manager could've taken us from 20th in L1 to where Gus took us. Who knows where we'd have been if Bloom didn't take a punt on Gus back then. Regardless of the sour ending, Poyet only really has Mullary as competition here in the Best Manager Ever stakes.

 

[spence]

The fact that we started life at the Amex in the Championship with such a bloody good team well equipped for the step-up, is largely down to Gustavo Poyet. He put in place the backbone of a squad that finished a comfortable 10th, and then went on to make the Playoffs two seasons running.

Yes Bloom helped finance it, but it was Poyets team. I don't think we should take for granted that ANY old manager could've taken us from 20th in L1 to where Gus took us. Who knows where we'd have been if Bloom didn't take a punt on Gus back then. Regardless of the sour ending, Poyet only really has Mullary as competition here in the Best Manager Ever stakes.

Very much how i feel. I'm still on the Gus Bus.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

The fact that we started life at the Amex in the Championship with such a bloody good team well equipped for the step-up, is largely down to Gustavo Poyet. He put in place the backbone of a squad that finished a comfortable 10th, and then went on to make the Playoffs two seasons running.

Yes Bloom helped finance it, but it was Poyets team. I don't think we should take for granted that ANY old manager could've taken us from 20th in L1 to where Gus took us. Who knows where we'd have been if Bloom didn't take a punt on Gus back then. Regardless of the sour ending, Poyet only really has Mullary as competition here in the Best Manager Ever stakes.

Where would we be without Poyet? Pretty much exactly where we are - provided Tony Bloom kept throwing his money at the club and at some stage appointed Chris Hughton to be our manager.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

The fact that we started life at the Amex in the Championship with such a bloody good team well equipped for the step-up, is largely down to Gustavo Poyet. He put in place the backbone of a squad that finished a comfortable 10th, and then went on to make the Playoffs two seasons running.

Yes Bloom helped finance it, but it was Poyets team. I don't think we should take for granted that ANY old manager could've taken us from 20th in L1 to where Gus took us. Who knows where we'd have been if Bloom didn't take a punt on Gus back then. Regardless of the sour ending, Poyet only really has Mullary as competition here in the Best Manager Ever stakes.

Arguably Micky Adams Mk.1 did as well if not better, given the severely limited resources at his disposal. Took us up as championes one division, and left Peter Taylor with a relatively straightforward steering job for the double championes season.