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[News] Girls not girls & boys not boys! Gender neutrality !







Triggaaar

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I'll take that as a no then. While I wouldn't be surprised if the school's actions are over-the-top and unnecessary, I think there's more to the story than the suggestion he made one comment by mistake. From the article you linked to:

"While the suggestion that gender is fluid conflicts sharply with my Christian beliefs, I recognise my responsibility as a teacher and a Christian to treat each of my pupils with respect."
Well that's a bit of a coincidence.
He added: “I have balanced these factors by using the pupil’s chosen name, and although I did not intentionally refer to the pupil as a 'girl', I do not believe it is unreasonable to call someone a girl if they were born a girl.”

The school said it was investigating complaints from the student’s mother of several examples of “misgendering” their son and allegedly issuing him with a disproportionate number of detentions for not behaving well but this was not backed up during the school’s investigation.
The mother has accused Mr Sutcliffe of talking about religious issues during maths lessons but he denies he has done so.
It doesn't sound like one incident of accidentally calling him a girl. Hasn't the teacher refused point blank to refer to him as 'he' etc?

And where the **** does it say he shouldn't do so in the bible?
 


The Clamp

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This is a regular debate on this forum. Usual response from the usual people. Up in arms because one teacher out of hundreds of thousands makes a questionable judgement call on a subject that has zero impact on your life whatsoever or one parent out of millions makes a fuss. That apparently, is leading to everything gone mad.
 


seagully

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The bottom line for me is that if someone is doing something that doesn't hurt others, break any laws and makes them feel happier then why shouldn't they do it? No skin off my nose

The only grey area I can seee comes with children who decide they are in the 'wrong' body. Are they old enough to be making that kind of call? Should this should wait until puberty? I guess by puberty it is often too late to easily 'gender-reassign' due to the development of sexual organs.
 


pearl

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Not sure where what you know comes into it. Kids don't know what it means to be a man or woman, so while they might identify more as a boy or girl, I'm concerned that they can't really understand the implications of swapping from one to the other at such a young age.

so how old were you when you realised you were a boy or girl?
 








alfredmizen

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I agree, totally pathetic.
Boys are boys, girls are girls, end of discussion.
i went to school with a kid who was clearly a girl in a boys body , he/she suffered terribly , its not as black and white as you think , although i think it has been taken a bit far now with all this vender fluid nonsense
 








Buzzer

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i went to school with a kid who was clearly a girl in a boys body , he/she suffered terribly , its not as black and white as you think , although i think it has been taken a bit far now with all this vender fluid nonsense

I think you're right. I'm all for more education and understanding about this. I was chatting with a mate last week about how strange and scary it is for all kids to go through their teens and for him it was a lot worse because he was becoming aware of being gay and having no-one to help him, no-one to talk to him about it and knowing that he would be bullied if he told anyone. Both of us agreed that for trans people, like the kid you went to school with, it must have been exponentially worse because it's impossible to hide and even more misunderstood.

I'm certain that forcing through this gender neutrality language is becoming counter-productive. I'm not gender neutral, my sons aren't, my gay mate isn't. No-one I know is. It's silly (IMO) to try to force people to use these buzzword terms. I think it's far better to carry on with the terms boy and girl but as [MENTION=25211]midnight_rendezvous[/MENTION] has said, try to break away from the stereotypes that are associated with each title.

As I said, it's hard enough for kids to try to make sense of their place in the world but when they are also struggling with their sexuality or gender then they need all the help and support they can get.
 




Big G

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Dec 14, 2005
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With all this talk of not calling girls, girls and boys,
Boys because it puts them under pressure to behave in a certain way. Am I the only one that thinks this is total BS and all this gender talk is nonsense.

I understand a very small percentage of children have mental health issues regarding gender and I agree they do need to get professional help but the vast majority of children don’t have issues with their gender!

Spot on mate!

But didn’t you know.....everyone else is to blame and we must now be morally guilted into doing anything and everything possible (including bending over backwards and ruining things for the vast majority) to ensure these precious victims are in no way ‘offended’........but bollocks to how everyone else feels eh!
 


Lady Whistledown

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i went to school with a kid who was clearly a girl in a boys body , he/she suffered terribly , its not as black and white as you think

Blimey :ohmy:
 


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Herr Tubthumper

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Wilko

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I think it's far better to carry on with the terms boy and girl but as [MENTION=25211]midnight_rendezvous[/MENTION] has said, try to break away from the stereotypes that are associated with each title.

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This is it in a nutshell for me. Boys are boys and girls are girls but some of the enforced stereotypes we socialise into our children is an area we should all be considerate of.
 




Fungus

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Some common sense here - Swedish church admits God probably isn't a bloke.

Church of Sweden to stop referring to God as 'he' or 'Lord'
The Church of Sweden is urging its clergy to use gender-neutral language when referring to the supreme deity, refraining from using terms such as “Lord” and “he” in favour of the less specific “God.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...sweden-to-stop-referring-to-god-as-he-or-lord
 


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