And, to add, a piss-taking psychopath chancer, for whom anything to grab should be grabbed. Stole a living. I work with people like this.
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[Football] Getting rid of Rooney was the start of all of this
- Thread starter Guinness Boy
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And, to add, a piss-taking psychopath chancer, for whom anything to grab should be grabbed. Stole a living. I work with people like this.
Actually, both teams managed to qualify after that famous result. Germany ended up getting to yet another final, but losing. England? well we all know our recent world cup history.
A shit German team that got to the final!! As I said, flawed logic.
Reading isn't the problem. You can't compare the quality of a teams based on the countries they have played in different eras.
I know. And they played Saudi Arabia, Ireland, Cameroon, Paraguay, USA and South Korea to get to that final. You win nothing with ****z.
I'm not comparing them FFS. Please re-read the thread.
So someone expresses an opinion that the 'golden' generation, had they played in this world cup, would have beaten the same teams that Southgate's team have. ie. an opinion. Yes it's a fact that the golden generation didn't beat them because they never played them. You merely said they didn't and referred the fact they didn't beat Sweden in a different era!!! I would suggest most people would infer from what you stated that you were comparing the teams based on the simple fact Southgate's team beat 2018 Sweden and Sven's team couldn't beat the 2002 or 2006 Swedes! If that's not what you meant when you wrote Fact is that they didn't, they couldn't beat Sweden, plus in 2010 they couldn't beat worse teams than those we've beaten this year. then perhaps you could make it clearer!
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume that you're Scottish.
You're avoiding the question now.
OzMike
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In your opinion, which it seems is undoubtedly correct.
There is of course the argument that Rashford can do that plus he scores goals!! (That's just my opinion)
dejavuatbtn
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Bottom line is that Southgate will, like Ramsey, make his own mind up up what TEAM he wants to put out. Individually they may not be considered by everybody to be the best we have but a lot of that is uninformed opinion. Ramsey left out Jimmy Greaves who scored 44 goals in 57 appearances for England - who knows what would have happened if Hurst hadn’t played. I am very happy with Southgate’s selections - he seems to know what he’s on about.
Hasn’t it been refreshing for the news from Russia to be positive about Engalnd instead of the usual list of WAGS and misdemeanours. Success in Russia will give us all such a boost for the new season.
Hasn’t it been refreshing for the news from Russia to be positive about Engalnd instead of the usual list of WAGS and misdemeanours. Success in Russia will give us all such a boost for the new season.
Puppet Master
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He's still only 32. I wouldn't have minded him being on the bench this tournament.
spring hall convert
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Here's my main beef with Rooney.
When he and Ronaldo were both at United as youngsters it was Rooney who looked the better prospect of the two. One of the two players is the consumate professional and has gone on to be the best player of his generation, even at 33 while one always seemed to be carrying a bit too much weight and have a bit too much liking for the drink and is washed up at 32.
Us Brits have a habit of excusing these guys (cf. Flintoff) who underachieve and shortened their careers because they don't look after themselves. Whilst people that have a single minded pursuit of excellence, say Andy Murray, are considered boring.
When he and Ronaldo were both at United as youngsters it was Rooney who looked the better prospect of the two. One of the two players is the consumate professional and has gone on to be the best player of his generation, even at 33 while one always seemed to be carrying a bit too much weight and have a bit too much liking for the drink and is washed up at 32.
Us Brits have a habit of excusing these guys (cf. Flintoff) who underachieve and shortened their careers because they don't look after themselves. Whilst people that have a single minded pursuit of excellence, say Andy Murray, are considered boring.
Whoever bought him a pint of wine... buy that man a pint!
Weststander
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Photos of Rooney opening smoking at pool sides during his summer holidays over the years, bears out your comment.
Players such as Cruyff smoked 45 years ago, but football now is far more physically demanding and Rooney was competing with players who looked after themselves 12 months of the year.
Very true.
He peaked at 18. He was absolutely frightening in Euro 2004, I honestly think he would have single-handedly won us that tournament if he hadn't got injured. He never quite hit those heights afterwards and was always judged against them which is why his excellent career is maybe not as appreciated as it would ordinarily be.
I do think this England squad is benefiting from him not being there. Not just because of the the ego/superstar thing but more his style of play and lack of pace. This side is far more fluid and dynamic than we've had for years.
I do think this England squad is benefiting from him not being there. Not just because of the the ego/superstar thing but more his style of play and lack of pace. This side is far more fluid and dynamic than we've had for years.
I'm sure there's some truth in this, but it's harsh to compare him to Ronaldo. I don't think Rooney would have been as good as Ronaldo if he'd just been more professional.
We do seem to enjoy the laddishness of Freddie, but it's not like Andy Murray is not popular - he seems more appreciated by the public than England's top scorer is.
Well Andy Murray does actually seem like a decent bloke. Wayne, not so much.
Charlton was a midfielder and Scotland used to beat us back then. He didnt get to play the likes of Andorra and San Marino.