Knotty
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The historical stats prove it, of course, but what has either of them done in the past couple of years? It would be a huge gamble in my opinion and going back to the past.
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Gerrard Out for 3 Weeks - Will England Miss Him??
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The historical stats prove it, of course, but what has either of them done in the past couple of years? It would be a huge gamble in my opinion and going back to the past.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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Personally I'd like to see Joe Cole take Gerrard's place with Barry wide left, Hargreaves holding.
I tend to agree with this. Whilst I am willing to admit I have not seen Owen play for anyone regularly over the past couple of years when I have seen him he has seemed to be a million miles from the fleet footed player I remember. He has looked well short of pace both over distance and off-the-blocks and didnt seem overly bothered. Maybe I have just caught him at bad times with injuries but he didnt strike me as a player who could cause damage at international level. Given his injury record these days I suggest that this state of affairs is probably a fair reflection of how it will be with him the majority of the time.
How many games are these stats based on though? This is quite important when dealing with statistics. And the opposition and nature of the game will be influential to the figures.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Dunno.
But after Rooney, the Heskey/Owen combo was almost certainly the most commonly used (which made sense as they were also together at club level).
In stark terms, speaking personally, if Owen is fit then I would drop Rooney in favour of Heskey playing up front with him.
Hannibal smith
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Thus far, I am deeply unimpressed with Fabian CRAPELLO. The problem (despite what the resident blind and jocks on this board say) isn't that the players aren't good enough but that thier definition of teamwork is to stand around doing the full teapot whilst shrugging shoulders after an Andorran postman has slammed one past Calamity James.
Big names have to be dropped, lesser lights have to be bought in and England need to look like a team rather than 11 individuals. Since 2006 we've barely had a good game but the same players seem to make the team however badly they play. Those that who are bought in don't keep their places. I'm no Jermaine Jenas fan but he played well when he was bought in but has promptly dissapeared from the radar. Meanwhile Lampard and Gerrard stroll around the middle blasting 60 yard balls into the car park and the fat bloke in the crowd to seemingly no detriment to thier careers.
Gerrard being injured (and lets not forget it was his choice to have the op now, so that he won't miss many club not country games) can only be a good thing. If it frees Lampard to play like he does for Chelsea then maybe just maybe the penny will drop with our new manager to drop the undropable. Miracles may happen.
Big names have to be dropped, lesser lights have to be bought in and England need to look like a team rather than 11 individuals. Since 2006 we've barely had a good game but the same players seem to make the team however badly they play. Those that who are bought in don't keep their places. I'm no Jermaine Jenas fan but he played well when he was bought in but has promptly dissapeared from the radar. Meanwhile Lampard and Gerrard stroll around the middle blasting 60 yard balls into the car park and the fat bloke in the crowd to seemingly no detriment to thier careers.
Gerrard being injured (and lets not forget it was his choice to have the op now, so that he won't miss many club not country games) can only be a good thing. If it frees Lampard to play like he does for Chelsea then maybe just maybe the penny will drop with our new manager to drop the undropable. Miracles may happen.
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Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Totally agree.
On the point of the midfield line-up, the one time we've looked half decent in recent memory was when we buttfucked Russia 3-0 at Wembley. Lampard was injured, so the midfield lined up:
J Cole - Barry - Gerrard - SWP
Nice fluent display with pace and creativity (and Owen / Heskey up front). But it took an injury to a superstar to force the hand of Gingerflaps into making this necessary change. I'm already IMMENSELY disappointed at Capello sticking with the old guard, but he now has to split that Lampard / Gerrard abortion of a partnership up for something else - and it will end up paying off (unless of course the jetlagged showpony is lining up on the right yet again - that'll f*** it all up nicely).
sten_super
Brain Surgeon
In yet another example of club over country priority, Hargreaves is going to play for the Scummers tonight, but Ferguson already knows that he's not going to be fit enough to play for England next week...
BBC SPORT | Football | Internationals | Hargreaves to miss England games
BBC SPORT | Football | Internationals | Hargreaves to miss England games
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
"Hargreaves, who joins Steven Gerrard on the sidelines, has tendinitis in his knee and will also not play in United's Super Cup game on Friday."
Still shit timing on Gerrards part though, I agree.
sten_super
Brain Surgeon
Damn you Easy, I was just coming here to edit my entry to say that he'd been ruled out, hoping no-one would notice!
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Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Damn you Easy, I was just coming here to edit my entry to say that he'd been ruled out, hoping no-one would notice!
This is NSC. Someone ALWAYS notices
Dick Knights Mumm
Take me Home Falmer Road
What what ?
That post is such a pile of shite for several reasons, an obvious one being Lampard is hardly shit. The other being...
Lampard 30
Bullard 29
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How can people even talk of dropping Micheal Owen 
He scores. With frightening regularity, at all levels. What more can he do then what's asked of him?
He scores. With frightening regularity, at all levels. What more can he do then what's asked of him?