[Politics] General Election 2024 - 4th July

[Hotchilidog]

Anybody live or knows someone who lives in NW Essex? It’s neck and neck to get this evil baggage out.

This would be the Portillo moment for me, even I'd vote Labour in this instance

 

[Audax]

which is why YouGov are showing lower numbers of Lab voters than all others

YouGov are showing a lower Labour number because they're the only non-MRP poll that is calculating in tactical voting. When they changed their methodology, Labour dropped and Lib Dems went up by about the same. Question will be how accurate their assumptions are on tactical voting.

 

[oldboyroy]

Nah, by the last week of the campaign, most voters have already made up their minds. The Conservative Party’s messages and policies have been in the public eye for months, and those who support or oppose them are unlikely to change their stance at this late stage.

Historically, major shifts in polls during the final week of UK general elections are rare. Voter behavior tends to be relatively stable as the election date nears, and dramatic changes in support for any party, including the Conservatives, are uncommon.

Fingers crossed you're right

 

[Chicken Run]

I rather like it being Thursday. Friday is snooze day and then you have the full weekend to either celebrate or commiserate.

I can honestly say i don’t recall either celebrating or commiserating the results of any elections i’ve voted in tbh

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yup. She can't lose really. If she wins she can have the Party leadership if she wants it, seemingly. If she loses, she's quids in, in the USA.

I suspect Admiral Mordaunt has her eye on the leadership.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Listening to Adrian Chiles on R5:

"Labour haven't said what they are going to do about taxes"

"We have said we are not going to raises the following taxes....."

"So how are you going to pay for anything?"

This level of political debate is probably what I'd expect from 'Mr attention deficit' Chiles. He starts out with a false claim, then when it is shown it is false he starts attacking the consequences of the true facts. This is the man who switched off when interviewing some arse who repeated the lie that Hillsborough was caused by the illegal activity of Liverpool supporters. The BBC had to issue an apology. Eventually he did so himself.

Adrian Chiles sorry for not challenging 'evil' Hillsborough claim

Jonathan Goldberg QC made the claims on BBC Radio 5 Live

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

I know that politics, like football, is 'all about opinions' but FFS. I expect better from the BBC. Chiles may be 'the voice of the people' but he is not contractually obliged to imitate the most stupid of them surely?

By contrast Nicky Campbell was excellent earlier.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I actually have close family in Saffron Walden, is that in this constituency? Shall i ring them and tell them who to vote for, is that what you’re suggesting?

I've never suggested to anyone who to vote for. I only ever say don't waste your vote.

The ones who annoy me, are those who don't vote, and then moan about what happens.

 

[Bry Nylon]

I suspect Admiral Mordaunt has her eye on the leadership.

Yes - and she is very accomplished House of Commons operator, but I understand that her re-election to her seat in Portsmouth is by no means a done deal. If she manages to get re-elected then I would agree that she is an equally strong prospect for next Conservative leader.

 

[Grizz]

Listening to Adrian Chiles on R5:

"Labour haven't said what they are going to do about taxes"

"We have said we are not going to raises the following taxes....."

"So how are you going to pay for anything?"

This level of political debate is probably what I'd expect from 'Mr attention deficit' Chiles. He starts out with a false claim, then when it is shown it is false he starts attacking the consequences of the true facts. This is the man who switched off when interviewing some arse who repeated the lie that Hillsborough was caused by the illegal activity of Liverpool supporters. The BBC had to issue an apology. Eventually he did so himself.

Adrian Chiles sorry for not challenging 'evil' Hillsborough claim

Jonathan Goldberg QC made the claims on BBC Radio 5 Live

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

I know that politics, like football, is 'all about opinions' but FFS. I expect better from the BBC. Chiles may be 'the voice of the people' but he is not contractually obliged to imitate the most stupid of them surely?

By contrast Nicky Campbell was excellent earlier.

Thing is there really isn't any kind've serious political debate anymore, especially on TV. Everything is dumbdowned to soundbites, trying to trip people up, getting that quote that would be a coup for the next 24 hours to be looped over and over again on 24 hour news. You watch these Leadership debates and Question Time and most of it is questions that are either too personal or impossible to answer within the alloted 45 secs - 1 minute answering time. They're an absolute waste of time now, they serve little purpose apart from a swing-o-meter poll of who won that one, when in fact they're usually both equally bad. On shows like Question Time they usually insist on having the loud mouth present who will disrupt and shout over people and it just descends into a farce. It's why Farage gets so much air time compared to the Lib Dems and Greens, as he will always have a soundbite for the viewing figures. Adrian Chiles is another prime example. He just wants to get a soundbite, because that's how his show works, to bring in the irate, the extreme, he's not interested in in depth political debate. It's not even holding people to account, as the Political figure on the show actually has little bearing on the direction it's going, they're just there as a punching bag. The only thing I will counter that with is that there are some good sessions on LBC, Ferrari and O'Brien can be astute when it comes to intelligent debate and holding to account, but it's all few and far between.

The other problem we have in this country (and before anyone jumps on me I'm very much centre ground when it comes to politics), is that there are very few independent news outlets and any journalism that is, has a hard time getting itself heard. They're not interested in being neutral, they just want to push a narrative for their own benefit. It's why Starmer seemed to give very little away policy wise in the years before the election year, as it would've been torn to shreds in the press.

I know that will all be picked apart, I'm not great at expressing myself on these things, just find it very frustrating. Maybe there just aren't that many Politicians who are good orators anymore? It's why I enjoy listening to Angela Rayner, she's very good and establishing that connection and just seems to talk common sense. Same with Rory Stewart when he was an MP, I may not have agreed with all his politics, but he just talked sensibly about issues.

Anyway, rambling now, sorry

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I can honestly say i don’t recall either celebrating or commiserating the results of any elections i’ve voted in tbh

You're welcome to join me next weekend Comrade!

 

[Chicken Run]

You're welcome to join me next weekend Comrade!

 

[Grizz]

I can honestly say i don’t recall either celebrating or commiserating the results of any elections i’ve voted in tbh

Only the last General Election (even though I could see it coming a mile off), as it meant 5 more years of Johnson and genuinely detest the man.

The one that did break my heart was the Brexit referendum. I came home from a night shift after watching the results, sat on the bed and thought, what the hell have they done. It still saddens me to this day.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Only the last General Election (even though I could see it coming a mile off), as it meant 5 more years of Johnson and genuinely detest the man.

The one that did break my heart was the Brexit referendum. I came home from a night shift after watching the results, sat on the bed and thought, what the hell have they done. It still saddens me to this day.

I was in France and not ashamed to say I cried.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Only the last General Election (even though I could see it coming a mile off), as it meant 5 more years of Johnson and genuinely detest the man.

The one that did break my heart was the Brexit referendum. I came home from a night shift after watching the results, sat on the bed and thought, what the hell have they done. It still saddens me to this day.

The last one was horrible, especially as most sane people knew it would be a total disaster given the character Johnson is. I was in London at a party on the night of the election, I flew back home on the Friday questioning so much, dumped my case in a luggage locker and went straight to a Sons of Kemet gig. Some things in life are exactly what you need at exactly the right time...this gig, plus lots of cheap red wine, was one such thing.

For those who did not vote for Johnson, I feel for you. If you voted for him, well, you got exactly what you wanted.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I was in France and not ashamed to say I cried.

Proably on slightly better red wine than I was

 

[BLOCK F]

The last one was horrible, especially as most sane people knew it would be a total disaster given the character Johnson is. I was in London at a party on the night of the election, I flew back home on the Friday questioning so much, dumped my case in a luggage locker and went straight to a Sons of Kemet gig. Some things in life are exactly what you need at exactly the right time...this gig, plus lots of cheap red wine, was one such thing.

For those who did not vote for Johnson, I feel for you. If you voted for him, well, you got exactly what you wanted.

As has been said so many times before, neither Johnson nor Corbyn were ideal candidates to lead the country. Johnson was seen as the lesser of two evils by many.
Those inclined to the left of politics may like to consider that if Corbyn had won in December 2019 and had, let us say, made a mess of running the country (highly likely in my view,), then would Labour be odds on favourites to win the upcoming election?
And no, those of us who voted for Johnson didn’t get ‘exactly what we wanted’.

 

[Chicken Run]

I've never suggested to anyone who to vote for. I only ever say don't waste your vote.

The ones who annoy me, are those who don't vote, and then moan about what happens.

All the same I might just ring them and make sure they are going to vote

 

[Chicken Run]

Next weekend the only thing i want to be celebrating is England winning the Euro 26 Championship old boy

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

As has been said so many times before, neither Johnson nor Corbyn were ideal candidates to lead the country. Johnson was seen as the lesser of two evils by many.
Those inclined to the left of politics may like to consider that if Corbyn had won in December 2019 and had, let us say, made a mess of running the country (highly likely in my view,), then would Labour be odds on favourites to win the upcoming election?
And no, those of us who voted for Johnson didn’t get ‘exactly what we wanted’.

The fact of the matter is that Boris won and was a disaster as many predicted.

 

[WATFORD zero]

As has been said so many times before, neither Johnson nor Corbyn were ideal candidates to lead the country. Johnson was seen as the lesser of two evils by many.
Those inclined to the left of politics may like to consider that if Corbyn had won in December 2019 and had, let us say, made a mess of running the country (highly likely in my view,), then would Labour be odds on favourites to win the upcoming election?
And no, those of us who voted for Johnson didn’t get ‘exactly what we wanted’.

Corbyn was never going to 'win' a majority or anything close (thank goodness), but if had won sufficient seats that Johnson hadn't got that huge majority and had to actually rely on anyone from the centre of his own party, or any other MPs from anywhere else on the political spectrum, or any sort of coalition had taken place between any of the major parties, we wouldn't have had the unfettered narcissistic orgy at the heart of Government ©Dominic Cummings.

And I agree there is no way Labour would be anywhere close to the odds on favourites they are at this election.

Because the country wouldn't have had 5 years of such corrupt, dishonest, incompetent, self serving Government and be in such a dreadful state