General Election 2017

[wellquickwoody]

Yep, Labour lost so badly that the Cons have to spend 1 billion of our money to bribe 10 homophobic, bigoted, terrorist apologists, to prop up their lame duck administration. That was a victory for the Tories

Edited for accuracy :raspberry:

 

[wellquickwoody]

I think we all lost when this government was voted in. May's career will be over by Christmas and we will all suffer from a government in crisis.

Possibly correct, and only worse to come I fear.

 

[Steve Foster]

It really beggars belief that anyone can defend this. They laughingly accuse Labour of having a 'magic money tree' - but suddenly the Tories find one when it comes to keeping themselves in power. And we are all paying for it! It could easily pay for the 26,000 nurses the NHS is short of. Disgusting.

A drop in the ocean compared to how much is pumped into the NHS & much of that £1bn would have been spent in NI anyway. Thankfully Corbyn will be a forgotten OAP in his Socialist Care Home by the time of the next election

 

[W.C.]

It really beggars belief that anyone can defend this. They laughingly accuse Labour of having a 'magic money tree' - but suddenly the Tories find one when it comes to keeping themselves in power. And we are all paying for it! It could easily pay for the 26,000 nurses the NHS is short of. Disgusting.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised but the utterly brazen hypocrisy from the right is almost comic. Some of the comments on here have been priceless. Not so long ago the coalition of chaos in the pocket of the SNP was what they were warning us about. I did think some people on here might hold their hands up and admit to the fact we now DO have a coalition of chaos, just in the pocket of the DUP, but no, still trotting out the same old shit. Embarrassing.

 

[JetsetJimbo]

As LBC's James O'Brien pointed out in a tweet, the reaction from the right would be somewhat different if Labour had been the largest party after the election, and Corbyn immediately gave £1bn to Sinn Fein.

The hypocrisy is absolutely stunning, and the mental contortions right-wingers are employing to justify this must make their brains hurt.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

They understand they just don't give a shit.

The mind of the typical Tory voter = Look after number 1, feck everyone else.

Pretty much this. Selfish to the core.

 

[Kneon Light]

A drop in the ocean compared to how much is pumped into the NHS & much of that £1bn would have been spent in NI anyway. Thankfully Corbyn will be a forgotten OAP in his Socialist Care Home by the time of the next election

I don't think it would have been as the deal was for an extra £1bn. The DUP would not have accepted a deal where they just got the same as they would have received anyway.

 

[Bozza]

Be smug whilst you can This will end in tears and will wreck the Tory party for generations.

I'm not smug - I've made it very clear I'm no fan of the current administration (although I do consider it the lesser of two evils, when compared to the only alternative right now).

I've just largely had it with some on the left...

- Crowing about some sort of victory they believe they've had.
- Expressing outrage at the deal the Tories and DUP have done when, if the roles were reversed, Labour would also cosy up with someone that gave them a chance of being, and staying, in power.

I spent all day at the cricket yesterday with a friend who is very active in the Labour scene around Sussex, and he revealed that many locally are also a bit fed up now, particularly with the "we won!" sentiment when they know that although performing better than hoped, it's still not a victory by any measure.

I haven't had a close look at the Conservative/DUP deal (cricket/beer/curry getting in the way) but the headlines I've seen suggest Labour voters should be happy since it's money being spent on stuff, exactly what the Labour manifesto was all about.

 

[neilbard]

As LBC's James O'Brien pointed out in a tweet, the reaction from the right would be somewhat different if Labour had been the largest party after the election, and Corbyn immediately gave £1bn to Sinn Fein.

The hypocrisy is absolutely stunning, and the mental contortions right-wingers are employing to justify this must make their brains hurt.

Your 100% correct! So what is your solution?

 

[Bozza]

As LBC's James O'Brien pointed out in a tweet, the reaction from the right would be somewhat different if Labour had been the largest party after the election, and Corbyn immediately gave £1bn to Sinn Fein.

The hypocrisy is absolutely stunning, and the mental contortions right-wingers are employing to justify this must make their brains hurt.

U ok hun? x

 

[nigeyb]

Bung parliament

May to nurse who hasn't had pay increase for 8 years "There's no magic money tree"

Schools in Brighton and Hove have lost nearly £12 million of funding this year - my own kids school making teaching staff redundant

Meanwhile the super rich get ever more wealthy, whilst the rest get ever poorer

And so it goes on

The Nasty Party

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Your 100% correct! So what is your solution?

As numerous others have said, operate as a minority government and present bills to parliament which are palatable, acceptable and ultimately passable. I'm sure someone will correct me but I don't think I've ever seen any previous British government so brazenly buy coalition votes like this.

 

[neilbard]

As numerous others have said, operate as a minority government and present bills to parliament which are palatable, acceptable and ultimately passable. I'm sure someone will correct me but I don't think I've ever seen any previous British government so brazenly buy votes like this.

Since when has any and I mean any UK government in power presented palatable, acceptable and ultimately passable bills that the opposition would pass every single time?

Sir you're living in cuckoo land if you think Jeremy Corbyn and his Labour entourage will be voting for any bill the Tories propose look at the boys parliament voting history for a start.

Opposition the clue is in the word.

 

[highflyer]

I'm not smug - I've made it very clear I'm no fan of the current administration (although I do consider it the lesser of two evils, when compared to the only alternative right now).

I've just largely had it with some on the left...

- Crowing about some sort of victory they believe they've had.
- Expressing outrage at the deal the Tories and DUP have done when, if the roles were reversed, Labour would also cosy up with someone that gave them a chance of being, and staying, in power.

I spent all day at the cricket yesterday with a friend who is very active in the Labour scene around Sussex, and he revealed that many locally are also a bit fed up now, particularly with the "we won!" sentiment when they know that although performing better than hoped, it's still not a victory by any measure.

I haven't had a close look at the Conservative/DUP deal (cricket/beer/curry getting in the way) but the headlines I've seen suggest Labour voters should be happy since it's money being spent on stuff, exactly what the Labour manifesto was all about.

I have no problem.with additional money being spent in one of the poorest parts of the UK. As long as it is properly costed and balanced by an appropriate increase in taxation on those that can afford to pay (waiting for that announcement with bated breath). I do have a problem with the fact that this has been done so selectively. If I were Ruth Davidson I'd be thinking hard about how to use the voting powers of the group of Scottish Conservative MPs to lever a bit of additional support to the poorer parts of Scotland now...
And of course many in Labour are quietly unhappy. Large parts of Labour - especially in places like Sussex- were hardly fans of Corbyn. I have genuinely heard it said that Labour has been 'captured by the left'. Which makes as much sense as complaining that Glastonbury has been politicised or that the Bullingdon club has gone a bit elitist.

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[Blue3]

As numerous others have said, operate as a minority government and present bills to parliament which are palatable, acceptable and ultimately passable. I'm sure someone will correct me but I don't think I've ever seen any previous British government so brazenly buy coalition votes like this.

Not only bought votes but using my money to do so!

 

[JetsetJimbo]

Your 100% correct! So what is your solution?

What I posted yesterday (see below). This deal is totally unnecessary -- more proof that May panics under pressure and makes bad decisions.

Given that this agreement completely torpedoes any pretense that the British government is neutral in regard to Northern Ireland (thus massively raising the risk of terrorism), a far more sensible strategy would have been to simply govern as a minority. That's completely acceptable constitutionally, and would not risk the collapse of the Good Friday Agreement, as this deal does.

The DUP would have supported a Tory minority government in any case, because they hate Corbyn more than anyone on this board does. If a minority government failed to win a vote on an issue of supply or confidence, constitutional precedent (and precedent is everything when you have an uncodified constitution) is that the monarch invites the opposition to form a government - again, a minority gvt. is constitutionally ok, as long as Parliament votes for their programme (Queen's speech) and their supply measures (budgets); if they are unable to get such agreement, another election must occur.

The chances of the DUP allowing that to happen are close to zero. So, May hasn't really gained anything from this deal, she's just cost taxpayers in Britain a lot of money for no reason. It's frankly horrifying that someone with such obvious strategic incompetence is leading the country during the Brexit negotiations.

Theresa May has shown she has a tendency to panic, and a tendency to make bad, ill-thought decisions when panicking. This is another one of those, and as well as costing an obscene amount of money, will lead to bloodshed.

 

[mikeyjh]

As LBC's James O'Brien pointed out in a tweet, the reaction from the right would be somewhat different if Labour had been the largest party after the election, and Corbyn immediately gave £1bn to Sinn Fein.

The hypocrisy is absolutely stunning, and the mental contortions right-wingers are employing to justify this must make their brains hurt.

It's probably preferable to the smugness amid the impending landslide that we saw a couple of months back. Just know how wrong they were about Corbyn, and how it will make them feel, it'll put a smile back on your face

 

[mikeyjh]

So, the new Royal Navy Aircraft Carrier only cost 3 DUP deals - bargain.

That's, almost literally, an eye opener. Money they've just lobbed away to retain power....

 

[neilbard]

Given that this agreement completely torpedoes any pretense that the British government is neutral in regard to Northern Ireland (thus massively raising the risk of terrorism), a far more sensible strategy would have been to simply govern as a minority. That's completely acceptable constitutionally, and would not risk the collapse of the Good Friday Agreement, as this deal does.

The DUP would have supported a Tory minority government in any case, because they hate Corbyn more than anyone on this board does. If a minority government failed to win a vote on an issue of supply or confidence, constitutional precedent (and precedent is everything when you have an uncodified constitution) is that the monarch invites the opposition to form a government - again, a minority gvt. is constitutionally ok, as long as Parliament votes for their programme (Queen's speech) and their supply measures (budgets); if they are unable to get such agreement, another election must occur.

The chances of the DUP allowing that to happen are close to zero. So, May hasn't really gained anything from this deal, she's just cost taxpayers in Britain a lot of money for no reason. It's frankly horrifying that someone with such obvious strategic incompetence is leading the country during the Brexit negotiations.

Theresa May has shown she has a tendency to panic, and a tendency to make bad, ill-thought decisions when panicking. This is another one of those, and as well as costing an obscene amount of money, will lead to bloodshed.

Your 100% correct! So what is your solution?

What I posted yesterday (see below). This deal is totally unnecessary -- more proof that May panics under pressure and makes bad decisions.

I agree with what you are saying to a certain extent, but is this a solution? Theresa May's constitutional responsibilities are to try and form a government.

To be able to govern, a political party or group of parties has to be able to get their Queen’s speech through Parliament we know this.

So it would be a massive gamble (GE) once again for her to leave it to chance. Yes the tie up with the DUP brings its own problems.

If Labour had won more seats, and the Conservatives fewer, maybe May would have seen that an alternative government is possible.

But the fact is that it isn’t possible, so if May decided not to bother trying to form her own alternative, she would leave the country in constitutional limbo.

Like it or not, given the election result, Theresa May did what she had to do to make sure the country had a Government. The idea that anything else was possible is fanciful.*

 

[Albumen]

We're all utterly ****ed under this government. Let's hope they continue to implode enough to lose a lot of bielections.