General Election 2017

[bWize]

If Labour had done and deal like this and expected the tax payer to pay for their bribe you would never hear the end of it from some of the rose tinted Tories on here. Some people have no shame!

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Thank you, as for a new career as a spin doctor, I couldn't condone something I found morally repugnant, and I'm suprised some of the Cons on here aren't embarrassed by this grubby little deal.

They are embarrassed alright. How could you not be?

 

[Is it PotG?]

They are embarrassed alright. How could you not be?

The alternatives are awaited.......two have been asked now, one viable and realistic plan Shirley?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Deal SINGED with the DUP and a £1billion of money comes out of the magic money tree to do the deal

Just remember 269M a week to the EU

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

The alternatives are awaited.......

Should not have been in this position in the first place, it's a joke we are.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Just remember 269M a week to the EU

That has already been spent on promising industries and areas no loss in EU funding, that is even before we know if any trade deals will cost us more/how much we will lose/gain through loss of buisness

 

[Is it PotG?]

Should not have been in this position in the first place, it's a joke we are.

Great answer, helpful. Seems to typify a lot right now, all moaning with no sensible alternative given where we are.

 

[Bozza]

Helpful tip for Labour: if you don't like what's going on, try being a cohesive opposition who people will believe in and earn enough votes to form your own government.

Hope this helps.

 

[lawros left foot]

and the alternative is?

Maybe try and stagger on as a minority Government, or a deal with the Lib Dems, now Farron has gone.

Or, and I know it wouldn't be popular with the Blue lot, and there'd be more chance of plating fog, admit her mistakes made through arrogance and over confidence, and call another General Election, which would be the honourable course of action.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

and the alternative is?

The grown-up alternative ought to be a loose alliance, with the government getting most things they wanted through, with the support of like-minded (on EACH individual issue) MPs from other parties. It would mean they'd have no chance to push through their rabid excesses, of course, but that's a genuinely good thing about such an arrangement.

Of course such a set-up isn't possible with this current Tory leadership, as they know they are so despised that they can't rely on the support of their own back-benchers, let alone non-party 'allies', thus the need for a sordid formal arrangement with the DUP at great cost (in financial terms, and in terms of potential damage to Northern Ireland's fragile power sharing agreement).

 

[bWize]

Helpful tip for Labour: if you don't like what's going on, try being a cohesive opposition who people will believe in and earn enough votes to form your own government.

Hope this helps.

Be smug whilst you can This will end in tears and will wreck the Tory party for generations.

 

[Titanic]

The grown-up alternative ought to be a loose alliance, with the government getting most things they wanted through, with the support of like-minded (on EACH individual issue) MPs from other parties. It would mean they'd have no chance to push through their rabid excesses, of course, but that's a genuinely good thing about such an arrangement.

Of course such a set-up isn't possible with this current Tory leadership, as they know they are so despised that they can't rely on the support of their own back-benchers, let alone non-party 'allies', thus the need for a sordid formal arrangement with the DUP at great cost (in financial terms, and in terms of potential damage to Northern Ireland's fragile power sharing agreement).

That is pretty much exactly what we have got (apart from your choice of describing it as sordid and formal). Confidence and supply, and a moderated program for government.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Great answer, helpful. Seems to typify a lot right now, all moaning with no sensible alternative given where we are.

Almost as helpful as the Government calling an election and then smugly assume they would walk it?

May going would be a good start, then calling another election might help to get a majority Government - but we can't do that as we don't have the time.

 

[JetsetJimbo]

Given the set of Election results are what they are, what would your ideal plan have been for the country, especially with Brexit on the horizon?

Given that this agreement completely torpedoes any pretense that the British government is neutral in regard to Northern Ireland (thus massively raising the risk of terrorism), a far more sensible strategy would have been to simply govern as a minority. That's completely acceptable constitutionally, and would not risk the collapse of the Good Friday Agreement, as this deal does.

The DUP would have supported a Tory minority government in any case, because they hate Corbyn more than anyone on this board does. If a minority government failed to win a vote on an issue of supply or confidence, constitutional precedent (and precedent is everything when you have an uncodified constitution) is that the monarch invites the opposition to form a government - again, a minority gvt. is constitutionally ok, as long as Parliament votes for their programme (Queen's speech) and their supply measures (budgets); if they are unable to get such agreement, another election must occur.

The chances of the DUP allowing that to happen are close to zero. So, May hasn't really gained anything from this deal, she's just cost taxpayers in Britain a lot of money for no reason. It's frankly horrifying that someone with such obvious strategic incompetence is leading the country during the Brexit negotiations.

Theresa May has shown she has a tendency to panic, and a tendency to make bad, ill-thought decisions when panicking. This is another one of those, and as well as costing an obscene amount of money, will lead to bloodshed.

 

[studio150]

Underfunded NHS cutbacks to Police and Fire Services a growing national scandal on housing but still enough bribe money.

The Tories making Britain poorer and yes I mean Britain rather then the UK.

The EU Brexit team must be laughing as Mrs May gives up £1bn for 10 votes. What will the UK now give up to leave.

Weak and Wobbly but money no problem.

 

[nicko31]

£1bn over two years out of a government spending total of approx £785bn a year is the equivalent of a small round of drinks to someone on an average UK wage. Hardly a big deal.

That's alright them. Problem is the Scots and Welsh are buying their own drinks.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Have never voted Tory, never will. My issue here is that people used the democratic vote, and rightly so, to mainly vote Corbyn as a protest and demand for change. If May had obtained a majority, all of this would be irrelevant and she'd be plodding along trying to sort Brexit blah de blah and see where we end up. Non Tories would moan.

She ends up with a minority (her own fault), it ends up basically that she needs to placate people that many in the UK would rather she didn't, it's cost us a load more cash but still she ends up plodding along trying to sort out Brexit blah de blah. Non Tories are moaning.

I think there's something subliminally correct in my vote for Baron von Thunderclap.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

In the big scheme of political mistakes... this one is a mere blip on the radar.

Perhaps cosying up to dubious types from NI and throwing a few billion at anyone to secure their votes is part of a cunning plan to attract Jezza supporters?

 

[beorhthelm]

Maybe try and stagger on as a minority Government

that is whats being done, DUP are not in government, only offering agreement to support on vote of confidence and the budget.

 

[lawros left foot]

Perhaps cosying up to dubious types from NI and throwing a few billion at anyone to secure their votes is part of a cunning plan to attract Jezza supporters?

Oh good, you've managed to spin it, so in your head it's still Labours fault.

Well done