General Election 2017

[nigeyb]

I guess the risk it that emboldened Tory remainers - not happy with the Queen's speech contents - decide to rebel. Dunno how likely that it is.

Be interesting to see what goes in as anything remotely contentious risks being rejected by a majority of MPs

 

[spring hall convert]

Undoubtedly. But we weren't talking about that. We were talking about the Queen's Speech.

Surely the Tory whip and DUP deal get that through, don't they? I might be being massively naive with that assumption, but I'm interested to understand why it might not get through.

But I was saying that Corbyn HAS to say that he would put a Government together.

I'm sure best case for him is another election right now though.

I'm also then saying if the Tories do survive all it will do is further denigrate the brand.

They've already lost people under 30. I expect they are now in the process of losing anyone under 40.

 

[ManOfSussex]

You may well be right.. but I remember similar things being said about the Con/LDem coalition... and that is usually much harder to keep together than a 'confidence & supply arrangement'.

Yvette Cooper made a point on Sky News yesterday - May just does not have the skills set required to keep together a confidence & supply arrangement let alone a coalition. She's got to reach out and compromise to other people and other parties, with different positions to her own. Frankly she's got to do that now within her own cabinet and party as well.

 

[Titanic]

I guess the risk it that emboldened Tory remainers - not happy with the Queen's speech contents - decide to rebel. Dunno how likely that it is.

Be interesting to see what goes in as anything remotely contentious risks being rejected by a majority of MPs

As little as possible would be my answer.

 

[Bozza]

But I was saying that Corbyn HAS to say that he would put a Government together.

I'm sure best case for him is another election right now though.

I'm also then saying if the Tories do survive all it will do is further denigrate the brand.

They've already lost people under 30. I expect they are now in the process of losing anyone under 40.

I'm giving up. For now, I'm just interested in the scenario(s) that might lead to the Queen's Speech not getting through. I'll wait until someone is able to detail that.

But thanks for saying the same thing again and again that I agree with and have already posted myself on this thread. Insightful.

 

[spring hall convert]

You may well be right.. but I remember similar things being said about the Con/LDem coalition... and that is usually much harder to keep together than a 'confidence & supply arrangement'.

Except in terms of momentum May is Brown and Corbyn is Cameron if you want to bring that up.

Also the Liberal Democrats aren't the DUP.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Denial.

The change isn't 'Labour won the election,' its 'Young people shaken by the referendum result have now discovered the value of democracy.'

The odds on this Government suceeding are ridiculously low. Maybot is still in denial. Barring an unforesewn outbreak of competence or an emboldened Labour Party self destructing again the longer it goes on for the worse the electoral defeat will be.

However, the Tories can't go to the electorate again until May's gone.

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Probably true but if we have learnt one thing over recent times it's that political received wisdom often turns out to be completely wrong.

 

[spring hall convert]

Probably true but if we have learnt one thing over recent times it's that political received wisdom often turns out to be completely wrong.

* Especially if it is a Tory leader saying it.

 

[spring hall convert]

I'm giving up. For now, I'm just interested in the scenario(s) that might lead to the Queen's Speech not getting through. I'll wait until someone is able to detail that.

But thanks for saying the same thing again and again that I agree with and have already posted myself on this thread. Insightful.

Tory Remainers vote it down/ DUP decide the Tories are too toxic for them.

I'm saying it's unlikely which is why I'm not really focused on it.

 

[Titanic]

Except in terms of momentum May is Brown and Corbyn is Cameron if you want to bring that up.

Also the Liberal Democrats aren't the DUP.

'Momentum' is irrelevant until we have another election.

If you want to make comparisons: Corbyn got 4 more seats than Brown. WOW

 

[nigeyb]

May still has to get through a meeting with the 1922 committee today - most of whom feel pretty bruised by her management style since she's been PM, and who have no faith in her abilities after her disastrous election campaign

 

[Triggaaar]

How do the Tories plan on getting the youth to vote for them?

When May became leader, she gave a speech about how some people still see the Tories as the nasty party. She then went and did nothing to stop that. Maybe the youth will vote for them if they stop being the nasty party?

 

[Stat Brother]

May still has to get through a meeting with the 1922 committee today - most of whom feel pretty bruised by her management style since she's been PM, and who have no faith in her abilities after her disastrous election campaign

On the upside, there's less of them to deal with.

 

[spring hall convert]

'Momentum' is irrelevant until we have another election.

If you want to make comparisons: Corbyn got 4 more seats than Brown. WOW

What % youth turnout was there in 2010?

What % of 18-24's voted for Brown?

What was Brown's maximum poll deficit prior to that election?

Either we have an election soon, that the Tories are completely unprepared for OR they have to be the most skillful Government since Thatcher for this to go well for the Conservative Party.

 

[Titanic]

May still has to get through a meeting with the 1922 committee today - most of whom feel pretty bruised by her management style since she's been PM, and who have no faith in her abilities after her disastrous election campaign

Yes - this is crucial in the short term... if she doesn't get through this with some semblance of support, she is toast - but surely, not even the Tories could be that stupid?

 

[nigeyb]

Yes - this is crucial in the short term... if she doesn't get through this with some semblance of support, she is toast - but surely, not even the Tories could be that stupid?

Depends who is waiting in the wings

 

[spring hall convert]

When May became leader, she gave a speech about how some people still see the Tories as the nasty party. She then went and did nothing to stop that. Maybe the youth will vote for them if they stop being the nasty party?

Have a look at my four questions on the other post.

Even if they change direction how do they communicate to people that aren't listening and don't even engage in traditional chanels of communication?

 

[Triggaaar]

I guess the risk it that emboldened Tory remainers - not happy with the Queen's speech contents - decide to rebel. Dunno how likely that it is.

What would happen if they did - Corbyn would have a chance to lead, and if that didn't work we'd have another election. Is that what the Tory remainers want? I don't think so.

 

[Triggaaar]

Have a look at my four questions on the other post.

Even if they change direction how do they communicate to people that aren't listening and don't even engage in traditional chanels of communication?

I thought some of the other questions were just jokes. So if a genuine point is that they don't understand social media, then employ a company that does to help. It's not rocket science.

 

[Titanic]

Have a look at my four questions on the other post.

Even if they change direction how do they communicate to people that aren't listening and don't even engage in traditional chanels of communication?

Boris. Just maybe.