General Election 2017

[theonlymikey]

Anybody that rejects Corbyns statement that the tories don't have a mandate to govern is being a little narrow minded and short sighted. Almost to the point of only concentrating on labour to Tory voting share.

There is only one party @ the last general election pushing austerity and further cuts.

SNP, labour and lib dem polices are far more aligned in the sense that they value NHS, Police and Education. All thee parties would happily like more money pumped into these public services.

Based on the fact that the vote share of these three parties combined far outweighs the Tory share, I can safely say the majority has rejected austerity. Labour are the biggest anti austerity party. To suggest otherwise is simply foolish.

Corbyn has a right to put forward queen speech amendments. And it's the democratic right of MPs to consider them if they wish.

 

[Titanic]

...Anyway, really do have to get on with things. Bye.

...goodbye

Goodbye indeed... thread bans issued... this is just tiresome from both of you.

 

[spring hall convert]

Tories currently in 'denial' and 'blame others.'

 

[Titanic]

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Where are Labour? They seem to think, with fewer MPs and a smaller vote share and no mathematical way to generate a majority, that they can 'form a government'.

 

[spring hall convert]

Where are Labour? They seem to think, with fewer MPs and a smaller vote share and no mathematical way to generate a majority, that they can 'form a government'.

Still in denial then.

How do the Tories plan on getting the youth to vote for them?

They can't use celebrity endorsement because no self-respecting celebrity with credibility will touch them.

They can't use social media because a) they don't undeestand it and b) they don't have any users willing to share their material.

They can't come up with decent policy offerings for young people because they don't have enough of them in the party.

They can't bribe young people because a) they can't communicate with them in the Daily Mail and b) The young don't trust them.

Young people came out in droves at this election and have seen they can make a difference. Armies of young people knocked doors at this election and seen it makes a difference. Engagement will increase now rather than decrease.

You are judging the result of a war by one battle.

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[spring hall convert]

And as I've said in this thread before and been ignored, Labour have to say they'd form a Government because it would be incumbent on them to do so if the Tories don't get a Queen's speech through.

You really think that Labour HQ wouldn't take another election right now though?

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[Ernest]

And as I've said in this thread before and been ignored, Labour have to say they'd form a Government because it would be incumbent on them to do so if the Tories don't get a Queen's speech through.

You really think that Labour HQ wouldn't take another election right now though?

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If the Tories can't get the Queens Speech through then it will be another election or if May resigns before then it is back to the polling booth as a Government with no Prime Minister can't govern

 

[Titanic]

Still in denial then.

How do the Tory's plan on getting the youth to vote for them?

They can't use celebrity endorsement because no self-respecting celebrity with credibility will touch them.

They can't use social media because a) they don't undeestand it and b) they don't have any users willing to share their material.

They can't come up with decent policy offerings for young people because they don't have enough of them in the party.

They can't bribe young people because a) they can't communicate with them in the Daily Mail and b) The young don't trust them.

Young people came out in droves at this election and have seen they can make a difference. Armies of young people knocked doors at this election and seen it makes a difference. Engagement will increase now rather than decrease.

You are judging the result of a war by one battle.

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The Tories will try to get on with the job of government and the Brexit negotiations... the rest of this is for 5 years time... and who knows what it will all look like by then?

 

[Titanic]

If the Tories can't get the Queens Speech through then it will be another election or if May resigns before then it is back to the polling booth as a Government with no Prime Minister can't govern

and if my granny had wheels she would be a bus.

 

[nigeyb]

Five years time? A tad optimistic methinks.

 

[spring hall convert]

The Tories will try to get on with the job of government and the Brexit negotiations... the rest of this is for 5 years time... and who knows what it will all look like by then?

Denial.

The change isn't 'Labour won the election,' its 'Young people shaken by the referendum result have now discovered the value of democracy.'

The odds on this Government suceeding are ridiculously low. Maybot is still in denial. Barring an unforesewn outbreak of competence or an emboldened Labour Party self destructing again the longer it goes on for the worse the electoral defeat will be.

However, the Tories can't go to the electorate again until May's gone.

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[Bozza]

And as I've said in this thread before and been ignored, Labour have to say they'd form a Government because it would be incumbent on them to do so if the Tories don't get a Queen's speech through.

But surely that't what the DUP thing is about. If they are fully onside then it gets through, doesn't it? As for what happens after that, I'll hand over to Jacob Rees-Mogg...

When asked how long he thought Mrs May would last as prime minister, Rees-Mogg said: "May Theresa May live forever, hallelujah, hallelujah, amen."

 

[spring hall convert]

But surely that't what the DUP thing is about. If they are fully onside then it gets through, doesn't it? As for what happens after that, I'll hand over to Jacob Rees-Mogg...

When asked how long he thought Mrs May would last as prime minister, Rees-Mogg said: "May Theresa May live forever, hallelujah, hallelujah, amen."

Every by-election becomes a referendum on a lame duck Government. Sleaze becomes important again like last days of Major as any Tory or DUP scalp is an opportunity to reduce their control

Opinion Polls get worse and worse.

Pressure builds and these Tories fall apart under pressure.

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[Titanic]

Five years time? A tad optimistic methinks.

Life if much more enjoyable if you are optimistic rather than banging on about crisis, chaos, uncertainty etc...

 

[Triggaaar]

I don't know what they think.

So why did you say you did?

This debate started with you and you seem to know what people want/ think.

Some things are obvious. And the poll backed up what I thought.

Ironic that

Oh dear, are you getting upset that some people have a better understanding than you?

The truth is nobody knows what people think, as nobody really asks

But I did ask. And the poll you linked to also gives an idea of what people think.

and to be fair people's opinion on Brexit changes all the time

I agree that the recent attacks will have made a change to how some people feel about immigration, but I doubt it would be enough to make most people want a hard Brexit. But this could be tested with a new poll.

 

[nigeyb]

Life if much more enjoyable if you are optimistic rather than banging on about crisis, chaos, uncertainty etc...

Well true enough, but like Mrs May, I am not sure you have truly taken on board the full extent to which her Tory colleagues have lost all faith. Along with us, the great unwashed, who will never get that car crash of an election campaign out of our minds

#notifbutwhen

 

[Don Quixote]

The Tories will try to get on with the job of government and the Brexit negotiations... the rest of this is for 5 years time... and who knows what it will all look like by then?

This government won't even last a year, if that. The PM won't last the summer.

 

[spring hall convert]

Life if much more enjoyable if you are optimistic rather than banging on about crisis, chaos, uncertainty etc... [emoji106]

Tell that to Paul Dacre.

 

[Bozza]

Every by-election becomes a referendum on a lame duck Government. Sleaze becomes important again like last days of Major as any Tory or DUP scalp is an opportunity to reduce their control

Opinion Polls get worse and worse.

Pressure builds and these Tories fall apart under pressure.

Undoubtedly. But we weren't talking about that. We were talking about the Queen's Speech.

Surely the Tory whip and DUP deal get that through, don't they? I might be being massively naive with that assumption, but I'm interested to understand why it might not get through.

 

[Titanic]

Five years time? A tad optimistic methinks.

... The odds on this Government suceeding are ridiculously low. Maybot is still in denial. Barring an unforesewn outbreak of competence or an emboldened Labour Party self destructing again the longer it goes on for the worse the electoral defeat will be...

This government won't even last a year, if that. The PM won't last the summer.

You may well be right.. but I remember similar things being said about the Con/LDem coalition... and that is usually much harder to keep together than a 'confidence & supply arrangement'.