General Election 2017

[Bozza]

Exactly.

At the end of the day this result suggests there is only going to be MORE support for the Labour lead progressive side of UK politics moving forward, whilst the Tories have shown they can't attract a new audience and still rely on their core demographic of the wealthy, ignorant and aged.

As more young people see their votes DO make a difference, they're only going to be more galvanised to continue voting in bigger numbers. Where are the Tories going to gain new voters from as their core continues to die off? They will need a radical rethink in order to try again at capturing the floating voter, and right now they don't have the leadership capable of attracting them. Meanwhile Labour's hope-spouting underdog looks more credible than he's ever looked.

The right will just blame May for running a bad campaign but the truth is she had the money, the press backing and the powerbase but STILL couldn't attract new voters.

If another election were to be held this year, where on Earth would the Tories get any more votes from?

I've been thinking about this a bit as well.

It reminds me of the odd occasion I go to church, as I did two weeks ago. I'd never heard of Wargrave before I drove there for a christening and by way of coincidence it turns out it's part of Theresa May's Maidenhead constituency. I see very few young people attending church, and I wonder "where will the next generation of church goers come from?"

The young have always tended more to the left than the right, haven't they? If so, then I'm also assuming there must be a drift to the right, for some, as they get older. Again, I fully concede I'm making big assumptions here.

For the young who became engaged this time round, I guess it may depend on whether they view their efforts were worth it this time. As it stands, they are not getting all the free things, they're not getting £27,000 of tuition fees and that Corbyn fella they've latched onto is not going to be Prime Minister. That could all change, of course, but as of today they're still likely to have that ghastly Theresa May woman running the country. Might some return to disenfranchisement?

I agree though - I'd be more worried about obtaining votes if I was sitting in Conservative HQ this afternoon.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Right. Lunch is calling. Laters.

 

[Bozza]

[MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] may not like this, but I AM claiming a win, for the left.

Not that 'we' won the election - obviously, but that the Government's reckless and complacent attitude, that they had (or thought they could snap their fingers and achieve) a mandate to do whatever the hell they wanted, with Brexit, the NHS, fox hunting and anything else has received a sound kicking.

They may cling to power of course, but they will have to reign themselves in, which will be to the good of us all. They may well have to call another election very soon, in which the worst excesses of their original manifesto will have to be binned. They will have to shift back towards the centre-ground to perform better next time round, which again is a GOOD thing for US.

A win.

You are a Leeds United fan and I claim my £5.

 

[soistes]

Tweet from CPFC. Brilliant

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[Triggaaar]

Very good question. Just been through the list of Tory MPs and Philip Hammond is the best I can come up with!

Fair enough, at least you looked through the list of MPs from the largest party, Corbyn says he should be the PM now!

 

[NooBHA]

[MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] may not like this, but I AM claiming a win, for the left.

Not that 'we' won the election - obviously, but that the Government's reckless and complacent attitude, that they had (or thought they could snap their fingers and achieve) a mandate to do whatever the hell they wanted, with Brexit, the NHS, fox hunting and anything else has received a sound kicking.

They may cling to power of course, but they will have to reign themselves in, which will be to the good of us all. They may well have to call another election very soon, in which the worst excesses of their original manifesto will have to be binned. They will have to shift back towards the centre-ground to perform better next time round, which again is a GOOD thing for US.

A win.

I claim a win for the left for a different reason.

It just goes to show that despite being kicked a put down by every element of the media and Politicians from all Parties, including his own, Jeremy Corbyn stands tall this morning and it has shown that there is an appetite for his vision for the country among the people. Lets hope people stop putting the boot in to the bloke and then we can really see what might be achievable in the coming few years.

 

[Colossal Squid]

The Tory share of the vote went up 6% the minor parties were squeezed more went to Labour plus the youngsters bothered to turn up. The electorate have shown a wicked sense of humour shifting positions beyond party lines.. in large numbers for numerous reasons.

But that 6% is predominantly due to the returning UKIPpers, so they're not new votes per se, just old voters who've come back.

Scotland is a bit more interesting as they have picked up new voters there, but this is primarily because Scotland is the only part of the country where the Tory party had a clearly defined policy on anything - namely that they opposed a second independence referendum. Now the other parties see the appetite for this they can campaign on this too. Obviously the SNP aren't going to but Labour can embrace this with gusto and it won't take a great deal of persuading to get more Scots to go back to Labour. It's a little like the Lib Dem surge in Richmond to protest against Brexit, but then swinging straight back to the Tories at the earliest opportunity. The Scottish seats have made their point known on the Indy Ref, so can now go back to their Labour roots and those voters will be lost to the Tories once more

 

[NooBHA]

Fair enough, at least you looked through the list of MPs from the largest party, Corbyn says he should be the PM now!

He definitely should NOT be PM because he didn't win enough votes sadly

 

[Triggaaar]

Surely he's been vindicated in doing so?

Maybe (I'll come back to that), but it doesn't matter whether he was right or not, his MPs wanted him gone and he stayed through self interest. It's the same attitude he's showing now in saying that he should now be the Prime Minister. I'm sorry Jeremy, you didn't ****ing win!

Has he been vindicated? Well he's done better than expected and better than the last Labour leader, so he certainly has a case, but as May thought she'd win thanks to Corbyn, I think Corbyn has done better than expected thanks to May.

Loads of Labour MPs etc coming out saying they were wrong now.

They have no choice but to back him now.

 

[btnbelle]

Knowing what we all know now, would anyone change the party they voted for?

 

[Bodian]

Maybe (I'll come back to that), but it doesn't matter whether he was right or not, his MPs wanted him gone and he stayed through self interest. It's the same attitude he's showing now in saying that he should now be the Prime Minister. I'm sorry Jeremy, you didn't ****ing win!

Has he been vindicated? Well he's done better than expected and better than the last Labour leader, so he certainly has a case, but as May thought she'd win thanks to Corbyn, I think Corbyn has done better than expected thanks to May.

They have no choice but to back him now.

I think the last thing we can accuse Corbyn of is self-interest. He really does seem to believe in his policies being the best for all, not just for him and his mates.

 

[Triggaaar]

Not that 'we' won the election - obviously, but that the Government's reckless and complacent attitude, that they had (or thought they could snap their fingers and achieve) a mandate to do whatever the hell they wanted, with Brexit, the NHS, fox hunting and anything else has received a sound kicking.

That's the good news. I'm literally shaking my head at their stupidity. FFS, fox hunting

They may cling to power of course, but they will have to reign themselves in, which will be to the good of us all.

This is also how I feel.

They may well have to call another election very soon, in which the worst excesses of their original manifesto will have to be binned. They will have to shift back towards the centre-ground to perform better next time round, which again is a GOOD thing for US.

I'd like that were it to work, but is that really what's going to happen? My concern is (and it trumps my distaste for some of the Tory policies) is what's going to happen with Brexit. Aren't you at all worried?

 

[pb21]

Fair enough, at least you looked through the list of MPs from the largest party, Corbyn says he should be the PM now!

Well IMO the PM 'should' come from the largest party in parliament, but I would now put May well down that list.

 

[Gwylan]

Scotland is a bit more interesting as they have picked up new voters there, but this is primarily because Scotland is the only part of the country where the Tory party had a clearly defined policy on anything - namely that they opposed a second independence referendum.

If I were in the Scottish Labour Party I'd be having quiet words with Ruth Davidson about what it would take for her to defect - she's an outstanding politician. She's also a Remainer and in favour of some state intervention in business. I bet, given her personal circumstances, she's not best pleased (to put in mildly) with the Tories getting in bed with the DUP.

I've no idea how personally committed she is to the Conservatives and whether she's ambitious to rise in the party outside Scotland, but if she's showing any signs of being unhappy, Labour should try to accommodate her, she'd be worth thousands of votes.

 

[Colossal Squid]

I've been thinking about this a bit as well.

It reminds me of the odd occasion I go to church, as I did two weeks ago. I'd never heard of Wargrave before I drove there for a christening and by way of coincidence it turns out it's part of Theresa May's Maidenhead constituency. I see very few young people attending church, and I wonder "where will the next generation of church goers come from?"

The young have always tended more to the left than the right, haven't they? If so, then I'm also assuming there must be a drift to the right, for some, as they get older. Again, I fully concede I'm making big assumptions here.

For the young who became engaged this time round, I guess it may depend on whether they view their efforts were worth it this time. As it stands, they are not getting all the free things, they're not getting £27,000 of tuition fees and that Corbyn fella they've latched onto is not going to be Prime Minister. That could all change, of course, but as of today they're still likely to have that ghastly Theresa May woman running the country. Might some return to disenfranchisement?

I agree though - I'd be more worried about obtaining votes if I was sitting in Conservative HQ this afternoon.

It has long been accepted that the majority of people start off idealist and liberal, before age catches up with them and their attitudes change to consider they're better served by right of centre politics. However, one notable difference with this at the moment is that where in the past you'd get older, buy a house, have a family and start thinking about making the most of your assets and preparing for retirement in the future, in 21st century Britain much of these aspirational metrics have been lost. People aren't readily able to buy property, they're not able to squirrel savings away earning interest and they're not able to see a point when they can retire. Consequently those young people who today aren't served by the Conservatives, aren't going to be served by the Conservatives tomorrow either.

There's a very real chance that the core of Tory support is dying off and not being replaced by anyone bar the offspring of the wealthy - who, notably, reproduce in lesser numbers than the traditionally working class.

Granted you can level that I'm obviously a progressive, looking for more positivity form the results. But at the same time, what's the counterargument? Where will Tories pick up new votes?

 

[Triggaaar]

I think the last thing we can accuse Corbyn of is self-interest. He really does seem to believe in his policies being the best for all, not just for him and his mates.

So you're saying he doesn't count as selfish, because he's too deluded to be selfish? Fair enough, it's difficult to argue with that.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

You are a Leeds United fan and I claim my £5.

See that's just stupid. Its not like that at all, and reducing it to such is beneath us.

I just want a more progressive (centrist) government, because I think that is better for the people of this country.

If that is via parties other than the Tory party that would be splendid. If that is by the incumbent party being forced to adopt more centrist policies, whilst not AS attractive to me, is STILL a GOOD thing.

 

[Mellotron]

A lot of comments on here about how well Corbyn did in the face of a hostile tabloid media. True of course, but one of the many interesting aspects of the apparent demographic shift we're seeing in political orientation is that the youth don't, as far as I can tell, actually read the Mail, Express, Sun etc, but get their news and views from other sources.
Is it too soon to say that we may be seeing a time when the tabloid proprietors can no longer determine the outcome of elections?


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It will take a looooong time but certainly seems the power is waning.

IMO I also think they went WAY overboard with the smear campaign against JC and it has backfired. As it did against Trump, not that I am a fan of him.

 

[Jackthelad]

And which in turn will lead to a softer Brexit. There's zero chance of getting a hard Brexit through parliament with their current numbers. I hope she now listens to the people, the original mandate, and acts accordingly. Because if she doesn't she'll be toast.

The people didn't vote for "soft brexit" for a lot of people including myself who voted leave I voted mainly for other reasons in this general election namely I liked a lot of the Labour manifesto.

 

[Don Quixote]

PM off to the palace now. Hopefully she'll be telling us that she will be stepping down in the near future. Can't let her anywhere near Brexit negotiations.


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