General Election 2017

[Bold Seagull]

The Tories need to rally round May, as difficult as that will be for many of them, if they value being in government.

There was a lovely quote just on the BBC "if there is one thing about the Tories, they are deliciously ruthless, it is how they have been in power for so long".

This is howe the Tory party rally around their leader if they smell weakness (really interesting rhetoric on the EU looking back)...

 

[martin tyler]

They officially started on the 29th March.

May in her wisdom though it was a good idea, after the talks had officially started (and the two year clock was ticking) to hold a GE and put the talks on hold for two months, despite the fact that they are in theory limited to two years in length.

Now with have this shower of shite foisted upon us.

In theory at the start it was a good idea. Conservatives should of taken a 60-90 seat majority out of the GE and they would of been in a stronger position going forward.
She in my opinion went in to hastily, under prepared and expected to walk the GE. Poor planning after calling the GE And her manifesto destroyed the majority she should of got. Personally who ever advised her this was a good manifesto needs shooting. Allowed labour to build momentum and she lost a massive number of voters. Marginal seats went the other way. As I said I don't believe Corbyn has any way of delivering his manifesto but he played to the youth and got them up to vote, played on police numbers in realation to terrorist attacks and would spend money on public services. He wouldn't get my vote ever but fair play to him for turning it around.
Unfortunately we are in a worse place than when we started with no strong party and it's the country that will now suffer

 

[The Clamp]

Why is your inability to understand sentences of more than 5 words my problem. Ooops.

It's not so much the words, old boy. It's the slapdash order they're in.

 

[btnbelle]

Jelly is stronger and more stable than this government

 

[LamieRobertson]

Jelly is stronger and more stable than this government

...havent had jelly for pudding in ages....ta thats on the shopping list

 

[Grombleton]

I did, with the link I posted.

You've posted an opinion piece, that's not proof. Might be for you, but not for the rational, sane person.

 

[pb21]

In theory at the start it was a good idea. Conservatives should of taken a 60-90 seat majority out of the GE and they would of been in a stronger position going forward.
She in my opinion went in to hastily, under prepared and expected to walk the GE. Poor planning after calling the GE And her manifesto destroyed the majority she should of got. Personally who ever advised her this was a good manifesto needs shooting. Allowed labour to build momentum and she lost a massive number of voters. Marginal seats went the other way. As I said I don't believe Corbyn has any way of delivering his manifesto but he played to the youth and got them up to vote, played on police numbers in realation to terrorist attacks and would spend money on public services. He wouldn't get my vote ever but fair play to him for turning it around.
Unfortunately we are in a worse place than when we started with no strong party and it's the country that will now suffer

IMO (and it was at the time too) was that if she was going to call snap GE it should have been before triggering Article 50.

Pre Article 50 a GE may have been a good idea, post Article 50 it was a poor idea at best and its turned out to be at least a very bad idea, with the potential to be even worse..

 

[LamieRobertson]

So what went wrong for the SNP....lost a large percentage of there seats...plus Alex ousted

 

[btnbelle]

...havent had jelly for pudding in ages....ta thats on the shopping list

Make sure it sets properly

 

[LlcoolJ]

So she's clinging on for now. I didn't think we could get a more self centered PM than Dave but TM is proving me wrong. She really doesn't give a shit about the country, just like Cameron, it's all about saving her own skin. And just like Cameron it'll fail.

 

[Gwylan]

The Tories really need to see off Corbyn. He's 68 now and if the Tories are somehow able to see out a full term, he would be 73 by the time the next election comes around. No one has been elected to PM at that age before. Would he have the appetite for that?

If he does stand down and Corbyn-mania diminishes with it, the Tories may have had the chance to regroup and head to the next election with a fresh-faced leader

How times have changed: just two years ago, Tories were describing, with glee, how they paid £3 to vote for Corbyn as having him in power would ensure a Conservative government for years.

Now, the aim is keep it steady until Corbyn goes so that the Tories would have a better chance against another Labour leader. That's some turnaround

 

[martin tyler]

I said earlier that the hard Brexit manifesto is now dead in the water. Everything, including the original referendum, points to a softer Brexit. Corbyn and May now need to sit down, be adult, listen to what this election has said, and form a cross party group of MPs to decide the preferred terms of Brexit and then go and negotiate them. I'd ask a non MP/minister to negotiate. This will take Brexit out of the current governmental stalemate.

That would be the way forward in my opinion. Doubt it will happen though as I can't see Corbyn and May sitting down to put the country first. A non MP/minister negotiator would most likely be the best way forward though

 

[LamieRobertson]

Make sure it sets properly

 

[Thunder Bolt]

So what went wrong for the SNP....lost a large percentage of there seats...plus Alex ousted

A lot of Scots are sick to death of Sturgeon wanting another referendum.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

One thing that hardly anyone has mentioned is fox-hunting.* It served no economic purpose, did nothing to help 99% of the country and did nothing to mend any divide. It's a measure that's opposed by 85 to 90% of the electorate, including many natural Tory voters. It was a completely brainless item to include in the manifesto: no political advantage and probably some lost votes

Ah, but (in the interests of balance) surely the votes lost by the fox hunting nonsense, will have been won back elsewhere, with the brilliant idea of scrapping the ban on ivory trading

 

[LlcoolJ]

That would be the way forward in my opinion. Doubt it will happen though as I can't see Corbyn and May sitting down to put the country first. A non MP/minister negotiator would most likely be the best way forward though

Nick Clegg is available apparently.

 

[CHAPPERS]

In theory at the start it was a good idea. Conservatives should of taken a 60-90 seat majority out of the GE and they would of been in a stronger position going forward.
She in my opinion went in to hastily, under prepared and expected to walk the GE. Poor planning after calling the GE And her manifesto destroyed the majority she should of got. Personally who ever advised her this was a good manifesto needs shooting. Allowed labour to build momentum and she lost a massive number of voters. Marginal seats went the other way. As I said I don't believe Corbyn has any way of delivering his manifesto but he played to the youth and got them up to vote, played on police numbers in realation to terrorist attacks and would spend money on public services. He wouldn't get my vote ever but fair play to him for turning it around.
Unfortunately we are in a worse place than when we started with no strong party and it's the country that will now suffer

David Davies is incredibly weak too, he pushed for this election.

 

[pasty]

Nick Clegg is available apparently.

Can he play at left back?

 

[martin tyler]

So what went wrong for the SNP....lost a large percentage of there seats...plus Alex ousted

Think she paid the price for trying to force another referendum on people that a fair number do not want

 

[Bold Seagull]

That's a democratic scandal!

They didn't call it because it wasn't enough, they called it because they wanted more and May wanted to have been chosen by the people (so she could say she had a mandate etc). And there are more Tory MPs this time than the last coalition.

I didn't know that was what they stated as the reason - if it was, could you post a link?

If you are unable to read that into her speech, then I think you're in a bigger minority than UKIP find themselves.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39630009