General Election 2017

[pastafarian]

There can't be both 'shy Remainers' who are also Remoaners. Despite what you say, there aren't too many that want to overturn the referendum result, but you might have to start turning your attention to those that want a less stark and harsh withdrawal than you seem to want.

i agree on that point.
They are now finished

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Theresa may said we will be out of being members of the single market and she will seek a NEW free trade agreement,
Jeremy Corbyn said we will be out of being members of the single market and he will seek a NEW agreement with tariff free access.

Pretty much the same position. Both have us out of being members of the single market but trading with it.

I cant see the EU letting us remain members of the single market when we are ending free movement and ending the primacy of the body that regulates it,the ECJ.

Neither Corbyn or May have a majority though. So it's difficult to say what's going to happen.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

That was the Lib Dem position i agree, not the Tory or Labour position.
How did the lib dems do again?

Stop moaning. Get over it, you lost.

(Couldn't resist )

 

[Curious Orange]

Well that was an interesting night with the way voting went... seems everyone got precisely what they wanted, and I doubt anyone is too happy about it!

 

[Machiavelli]

Well it isn't clear though is it?

Realistically we're going to have to have another election and the parties are going to have to regroup to understand how best to fight that. If Labour or the Tories decide to campaign on a platform of offering a referendum on the final terms of leaving the EU then there's no guarantee it will happen.

Granted it's very unlikely things will pan out that way, but you can't go crowing about certainty after a result like last night

There will be very little appetite for yet another intervention from the electorate. Remember how this campaign started with Brenda expressing the views of much of the public. There was no need to call this election, something that our PM will be reflecting on at the moment. Despite the fact that she's been slapped down, she probably needs to stay, for a while at least and let's not forget that Brexit negotiations begin on Monday. The Tories will have to form a coalition with the DUP who want a much less stark Brexit than May, Johnson, Davis and Fox.

 

[JCL666]

That was the Lib Dem position i agree, not the Tory or Labour position.
How did the lib dems do again?

They increased their number of MPs by 50%

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I don't get the Goldsmith one.

The locals won't vote for him when he's campaigning as an independent on a hot local issue, but as soon as he rejoins the tories, going back on his principled stance against Heathrow expansion they decide they'll go back and vote for him again, Brexit be damned

The British electorate, is clearly, quite bonkers!

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

They increased their number of MPs by 50%

50% of hardly anything is still hardly anything.

 

[Scotchegg]

May resigns, another election in six months, Boris Johnson as pm (?) that one could be rudd, but unlikely with her majority. Tories getting in bed with dup, but that's going to make a real mess for brexit if they do. Long term the tories will be in trouble and will need to sort it out or tear themselves apart. Labour unite behind Corbyn and double down or the centrists will want to capitalise on their gains having learnt nothing. Short term the pound will take a beating.

I'm tired and neeeed to go to sleep but something along those lines I recon.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Maybe just like Trump it takes a while for people to see evil..

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[Deleted member 22389]

Congratulations to Labour on a much better result that was expected. However, what I've noticed in the comments so far is that even in their joy at their "perceived" victory, there is still the snide, spiteful digs at Conservative voters.

This is a bad result for the county. There will be unstable government as you can't see any party (apart from the DUP) wanting to support the conservatives, the Lib-Dems are opposed to entering any coalition so neither party will be able to form a stable government.

I genuinely cannot see anyway that there won't be another general election later this year. Corny will still be there, but hopefully a more charismatic leader for the Tories. Only plus from last night is the results for the SNP and the weakening of Krankies hand to push for a new Indy vote.

There are snide remarks like on the other thread where they talk about Brexit and saying lots of Leave voters will now be dead. It's these types of shitty comments that create this hostility. I have got more class, and yes well done Labour.

What this shouldn't mean is a 2nd referendum, we should try and get a deal to keep everyone happy now, but at the end of the day if we don't get a deal, we should Leave anyway because that's what we voted for originally.

If we end up having another General Election, not again and Labour win then they should still respect the original vote, no backtracking and make the best of it.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

It would be lovely if certain types of poster could find it within themselves to enjoy the strong performance of their chosen party without resorting to nastiness and in this case demeaning the terminally ill. Maybe I'm just an idealist. JC has performed extraordinary well against expectation (including mine) and it's a shame that so many of his supporters lack his dignity.

 

[JCL666]

There can't be both 'shy Remainers' who are also Remoaners. Despite what you say, there aren't too many that want to overturn the referendum result, but you might have to start turning your attention to those that want a less stark and harsh withdrawal than you seem to want.

I'm not sure that it's dead yet.

Most of the analysis suggests that the remain vote has significantly influenced the result. Plus young people have been mobilised and gone out to vote.

If we had the referendum again I'd put money on it having a different result.




My own view is that I don't oppose leaving but the current circumstances are not conducive to a successful outcome.

 

[Machiavelli]

Is Theresa May going to walk out on to Downing Street and say: "Nothing has changed."

 

[Garage_Doors]

The massive swing to oust Kirby in Kemptown, along with big majorities for Kyle in Hove and the excellent Dr Lucas in Pavilion means our city is finally free of any shred of unwelcome Tory rule.

Can't tell you how proud it makes me.

We're a PREMIER LEAGUE city with progressive governance.

We fought the bad guys and we won.

Well done everyone

It would have been better without the Greens, but you can't have everything.

 

[blue'n'white]

Agree. Cross party discussions. Agree on the type of Brexit. Send over an EU expert to discuss and negotiate. Far preferable.

I agree that's what we should do - I've said for a long time that a "Government of National Unity" or a coalition if you like like we had in the war years would be better for the country. Take the brightest minds from each party (assuming any of them can be described as "bright") and lump them all together in a Cabinet - if the Tories won 40% of the vote in the country give them 40% of the Cabinet etc. However can you see any of the intractable b@st@rds actually sitting down and agreeing with each other.
No me neither

 

[mikeyjh]

Congratulations to Labour on a much better result that was expected. However, what I've noticed in the comments so far is that even in their joy at their "perceived" victory, there is still the snide, spiteful digs at Conservative voters.

This is a bad result for the county. There will be unstable government as you can't see any party (apart from the DUP) wanting to support the conservatives, the Lib-Dems are opposed to entering any coalition so neither party will be able to form a stable government.

I genuinely cannot see anyway that there won't be another general election later this year. Corny will still be there, but hopefully a more charismatic leader for the Tories. Only plus from last night is the results for the SNP and the weakening of Krankies hand to push for a new Indy vote.

While not wishing to speak for others - You must remember that for weeks we've been told what a disaster Corbyn was, we had to read the Mail and Sun and their outrageous coverage of him and his cabinet. We had to sit through the most negative campaign I've ever seen by the Tories and their supporters entirely based on denigrating Corbyn et al. So I think you have to understand why there's going to be a bit (a lot) of this. There's a lot of people on here and beyond with a LOT of egg on their face.

This may not be a victory in the factual sense but it clucking feels like one, maybe coming back from 3 down with 10 to go....

 

[Scotchegg]

Is Theresa May going to walk out on to Downing Street and say: "Nothing has changed."

"I've been perfectly clear that what we need now in this period of turmoil is a strong and stable leadership."

 

[Guinness Boy]

Amazing how the usual suspects are still trying to frame this solely within Brexit. General Elections are never single issue.

My vote was for a decent local MP. It was for a progressive and costed manifesto. It was for turning up to debates and engaging with the public. It was against the elderly having to pay for care in their own homes via equity release, against a grossly unfair new school funding system, against the DoT clowns who've been propping up Southern Fail.

In short I have found Theresa May's arrogance to be the deciding factor. Brexit is a side issue


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[Lenny Rider]

Watching TV and social media this morning, is this country now the most divided its ever been? Worrying times, whatever the colour of your rosette.