General Election 2017

[CHAPPERS]

The Conservative election manifesto reveals with absolute clarity the depth of Theresa May’s subservience to the billionaire-owned, Brexit-backing corporate national press.

Down at page 80 is a single paragraph entitled, sweetly, ‘A free media’, which promises that if elected May will erase all trace of the Leveson Inquiry from our public life. There will be no Leveson Part 2 to establish the true scale of press lawbreaking, and no Section 40 to ensure that it is not just millionaires who are able to uphold their legal rights against newspapers.

This paragraph might have been, and indeed conceivably was, written by our corrupt national press itself – their very own Get Out Of Jail Free card. And these are both U-turns by May, reversing positions she has publicly declared in the past.

If it happens it will be just as if the world never found out that Rupert Murdoch's employees hacked Milly Dowler's phone.

There will be no effective, independent regulation for the press in this country despite its amply-proven record of amoral conduct and abuse of innocent people.

Nor will there be access to affordable justice for the victims when papers breach their legal human rights (which they have been proven to do a great deal). There is no legal aid, the no-win-no-fee system has been neutered and May is now promising to remove any hope of access to the meaningful low-cost arbitration recommended by Leveson.

So unless you can afford the six- and seven-figure bills that go with High Court action (which May’s premium supporters no doubt can) you might as well whistle for justice when you are libelled or when a newspaper intrudes illegally upon your privacy.

So let’s be clear: what May proposes is a carte blanche for the Mail, the Express, the Sun and others to break the law, and to behave as unethically as they wish. There will be nothing to stop them besides the feeble sham that is IPSO.

Better than that, so far as the Dacres and Murdochs of this world are concerned, by promising to abandon the promised part 2 of the Leveson Inquiry May waves a magic wand over proven past criminality for which nobody has taken responsibility and throws away an opportunity to find out what they are up to now.

Leveson concluded – and four prime ministers admitted – that politicians and the press had got too close in recent decades and that the public had suffered gravely as a result. What has been the response of the press and of Theresa May? To get closer still.

This is a pact between newspaper bosses and politicians that sabotages British public life and exposes thousands of ordinary people to cruelty at the hands of unscrupulous newspapers. It is a piece of politics worthy of the very shabbiest banana republic.

Read more at:https://www.byline.com/column/68/article/1667

And May is busy ripping up Human Rights laws.

Marvellous.

 

[SK1NT]

I feel her pain. As I said in an earlier reply, trying to get a leftie to see sense, is like getting ISIS to see god doesn't exist.

SO to summarise

So to summarise:

Fox hunting... you don't care about. - With everything else going on in the world today. No. Not in the slightest. Don't understand the need for grown men to do it, but there are far more important issues today than chasing a fox on a horse.
School Dinners... you admit Tories fooked up - Don't know the full facts, but those who cannot afford, should have them provided.
Ivory trading... you didn't know about but i am assuming you don't agree with - Again depends on the situation. Not really that concerned by the facts.
NHS... Denile. - In your opinion. We had this discussion 20 years ago, and will still be having it in 20 years time. The NHS will still be there. It's a stick the left like to beat the Tories with, but nothing ever changes.
Tuition fees... Siding more with Labour agreeing the main courses should be free - If that's what Labour say, then yes. Because I am Tory, doesn't mean I agree with each and every thing they say. If Labour think courses like Doctors, Nurses etc, things for where we have a shortage of skilled workers who we have to bring in overseas workers for should be free, then I agree with them.

But if that makes me a Labour voter, one or two minor polices I agree with, then you really are as blinkered as you sound.

Even your own mother can't get through to you. What chance as anyone else got!!!

Oh mate come here and give me a hug.

Amazing how tories skip past things... Nation debt doubled under tories? Brexit negotiation comments?

What Policies do you actually ****ing like of the tories?

yay more austerity. However we are all in this together. Tory voters are absolutely clueless.

I urge you to read this: http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/this-facebook-comment-about-the-uk-election-is-going-viral/


Let's drop this conversation between us as you have not tackled me adequately on anything.

I am still miffed as you ONE Tory policy you actually like. All i know is that you dislike the majority of Tory policies examples i mentioned.

 

[mikeyjh]

Here we go investing investing investing. money money money. The left are more obsessed with money than the right.

You can throw all the money in the world at the problem. What's the point if the don't give the intelligence service and the police the powers to act?

They have the powers, all the powers they need, they do not have the resources. Let me give you a simple quote with regard to Khuram Butt - Butt was "prioritised in the lower echelons of our investigative work". Prioritised. Not unable to arrest because they did not have the powers, prioritised in the 'lower echelons of our investigative work'. The only things the authorities have to prioritise is manpower so very simply, that's corporate speak for telling us that their resources did not allow them to further investigate Khuram Butt.

 

[mikeyjh]

Thought it was quite useful to show you are just an apologist for terrorist sympathisers. Is Rule one in beating terrorism don't put people in charge who attempt to excuse the actions of or side with terrorists?

Fair enough, I just think we know the past so rather than copy and paste, give us the interpretation. Whatever you say about Corbyn and Sinn Fein, he was right though wasn't he? All those years of internment, collusion with the UDA et al(terrorists are only terrorists if we don't agree with their objective right?), masking the voices of republicans on British TV (yeah, that really happened) produced nothing. Engagement and an acknowledgement that it wasn't working really did work.

Obviously, the same approach will not work with ISIS but surely we have to recognise that the old approach of banging them up, shoot to kill, scrapping of human rights is just as futile? So, to answer your second point. Rule one of beating terrorism seems to be that bombing the **** out of them doesn't work.

 

[studio150]

No not at all. Just the ones that stop us attacking against terrorists. But then I think you already knew that but had to have a comeback.

Which are what?

In the new May world, we can:

Torture terrorists and subject them to inhuman conditions and degrade them
Imprison them without the due process of law, and don't have to present any evidence to them


Any others you want to throw in.

At least on Friday if the Tories do form the next government, we can ring the (alleged) terrorist hotline, and say that we believe Tubby-McFat-Fuc is a terrorist, and within minutes you will be arrested abd thrown into prison, without a trial, placed on a rack and tortured until you confess and provide the names of other members of your cell.

The UK will have is own disappeared generation, but the Mail and Express will be in rapture about the number of the terrorists removed from our streets.

 

[SK1NT]

Funny anti tory posters:

http://b3ta.com/blog/anti-tory-election-posters-for-you-to-share/

 

[SK1NT]

The daily mail devotes a mere 13 pages to how bad Corbyn is. The only thing citied in praise of May is the fact she is not him very sad

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Some Tory policies that appeal to me.

Increasing personal allowance to £12500, keeping business costs low as we transition out of the EU, competitiveness is vital. Being fully committed to Brexit and setting out some clear guiding principles including protecting and enhancing workers rights. Increase the minimum/living wage, meeting our international obligations 2% GDP spend on defence (NATO target), 0.7% on foreign aid. More transparency on executive pay plus increases subject to votes from shareholders, increased employee representation on boards. Continued increased spending on security services and counter terrorism. Increased spending on NHS Plus many more.

https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto

Also despite their obvious failings they are the safety first option. We still have a big debt problem (yeah I know) plus leaving the EU is full of uncertainty (and opportunity) so this isn't the best time to lurch to the left and go on a wild socialist spending spree.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

Oh mate come here and give me a hug.

Amazing how tories skip past things... Nation debt doubled under tories? Brexit negotiation comments?

What Policies do you actually ****ing like of the tories?

yay more austerity. However we are all in this together. Tory voters are absolutely clueless.

I urge you to read this: http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/this-facebook-comment-about-the-uk-election-is-going-viral/


Let's drop this conversation between us as you have not tackled me adequately on anything.

I am still miffed as you ONE Tory policy you actually like. All i know is that you dislike the majority of Tory policies examples i mentioned.

Fox hunting, School Dinners and Ivory trading. I must be a closet Labour voter than.

As I said, the left only sees what the left wants to see.

 

[theonlymikey]

Tubby-McFat-Fuc loses cool in embarrassing spat

 

[highflyer]

No not at all. Just the ones that stop us attacking against terrorists. But then I think you already knew that but had to have a comeback.

There are no examples of the humans rights act blocking action on terrorism.
Can you provide one?

Because Teresa May couldn't and she was home Secretary for 6 years:

LBC asked her: “Are there any specific examples you think where human rights law has just given too much protection, too much succour, to the terrorists?”

She replied: “I think we need to look at how we can make the changes we want to make and whether human rights law is going to stop us from doing that, and then we need to look at changing those human rights laws.

“But of course if you look at some of the issues that we’ve had to deal with in the past, it has taken a long time sometimes to deport terror suspects.

“I’ve had some battles in the past to make sure that I can kick some hate preachers out of the United Kingdom but I did it.”

She did not come up with a name.


This is a bullshit diversion.

 

[soistes]

The daily mail devotes a mere 13 pages to how bad Corbyn is. The only thing citied in praise of May is the fact she is not him very sad

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[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

They have the powers, all the powers they need, they do not have the resources. Let me give you a simple quote with regard to Khuram Butt - Butt was "prioritised in the lower echelons of our investigative work". Prioritised. Not unable to arrest because they did not have the powers, prioritised in the 'lower echelons of our investigative work'. The only things the authorities have to prioritise is manpower so very simply, that's corporate speak for telling us that their resources did not allow them to further investigate Khuram Butt.

The arrested him you ****wit months ago, but let him of with a caution.

Does that sound like lack of resources, or the lack of power?

Youssef Zaghba was arrested trying to get into Syria, but was still allowed back into the UK.

Does that sounds like a lack of resources, or the lack of power to stop him?

But you keep wanting to through money at everything and expect it to all work out right. They clearing don't have the powers to stop it, otherwise these two ***** wouldn't have been on the street to commit these murders.

THEY KNEW ABOUT THEM

THEY HAD BEEN ARRESTED

They are powerless to stop them under current laws.

But you keep barking on about their human rights, and freedoms. People like you are part of the problem. Now **** off and light your candles and sing kumbaya with the rest of your like minded idiots, and let the grown ups sort out the mess our liberal laws have allowed to happen

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Fair enough, I just think we know the past so rather than copy and paste, give us the interpretation. Whatever you say about Corbyn and Sinn Fein, he was right though wasn't he? All those years of internment, collusion with the UDA et al(terrorists are only terrorists if we don't agree with their objective right?), masking the voices of republicans on British TV (yeah, that really happened) produced nothing. Engagement and an acknowledgement that it wasn't working really did work.

Obviously, the same approach will not work with ISIS but surely we have to recognise that the old approach of banging them up, shoot to kill, scrapping of human rights is just as futile? So, to answer your second point. Rule one of beating terrorism seems to be that bombing the **** out of them doesn't work.

We know it but so many seem keen to conveniently ignore it or deliberately misinterpret it. Which is why it is so important to continually highlight the truth.

He was at best a gullible useful idiot for Sinn Fein who according to people far better placed than you or me had b*gger all influence in bringing about peace.

I'll stick with my rule one. Rule 2 Banging them up, shoot to kill, bombing are appropriate responses to people intent on killing as many of us as possible because we do not believe what they do. Numerous countries that have opposed middle east intervention are also attacked, instability and and failed states always spring up. There are no easy options.

 

[SK1NT]

Fox hunting, School Dinners and Ivory trading. I must be a closet Labour voter than.

As I said, the left only sees what the left wants to see.

Brexit? You really want the weak u-turning May negotiating that? As i said Kier Starmer the best lawyer for brexit negotiations is Labour.

Still not commented on the national debt doubling under the tories.

I deal in facts and figures. You clearly just like to argue for the sake of it and have been sold the soundbites and daily mail propaganda.

Go on name ONE Tory policy that you are voting for? This is the third time of asking.

It is zombies like you with a vote that are helping the rich get richer and the poor poorer.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

Which are what?

In the new May world, we can:

Torture terrorists and subject them to inhuman conditions and degrade them
Imprison them without the due process of law, and don't have to present any evidence to them


Any others you want to throw in.

At least on Friday if the Tories do form the next government, we can ring the (alleged) terrorist hotline, and say that we believe Tubby-McFat-Fuc is a terrorist, and within minutes you will be arrested abd thrown into prison, without a trial, placed on a rack and tortured until you confess and provide the names of other members of your cell.

The UK will have is own disappeared generation, but the Mail and Express will be in rapture about the number of the terrorists removed from our streets.

SO you believe if someone is flagged up and reported to the police and MI5 that they may commit these acts of mass murder, we spend money that we don't have keeping them under surveillance (not to close mind as it may upset them) , and then act when they are about to start slaying innocents.

""At least on Friday if the Tories do form the next government, we can ring the (alleged) terrorist hotline, and say that we believe Tubby-McFat-Fuc is a terrorist, and within minutes you will be arrested abd thrown into prison, without a trial, placed on a rack and tortured until you confess and provide the names of other members of your cell.""" Well that won't happen will it. They don't have enough funds to do that!!! You're mother must be so proud of you with comments like that. But from what you have said about her, I suspect she's more than a little disappointed in the left wing nut she has raised.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

Brexit? You really want the weak u-turning May negotiating that? As i said Kier Starmer the best lawyer for brexit negotiations is Labour.

Still not commented on the national debt doubling under the tories.

I deal in facts and figures. You clearly just like to argue for the sake of it and have been sold the soundbites and daily mail propaganda.

Go on name ONE Tory policy that you are voting for? This is the third time of asking.

It is zombies like you with a vote that are helping the rich get richer and the poor poorer.

You say soundbites and propaganda and then you come out with "It is zombies like you with a vote that are helping the rich get richer and the poor poorer. "

Well unfortunately for you, there will be enough Zombies out come Thursday to smash your silly pie in the sky ideas into touch.

You can always start a petition to get the election run again a few weeks later to see if you can win that one.

Also love it how you say "As i said Kier Starmer the best lawyer for brexit negotiations is Labour.". Oh well, you said that , so it must be true.

Can't even be bothered to comment on the national debt. If you can't see why it start rasing sharply before the Tories got into power, and continued to rise since, then there's no hope for you.

Just make sure you get your tissues ready for Friday morning.

 

[SK1NT]

You say soundbites and propaganda and then you come out with "It is zombies like you with a vote that are helping the rich get richer and the poor poorer. "

Well unfortunately for you, there will be enough Zombies out come Thursday to smash your silly pie in the sky ideas into touch.

You can always start a petition to get the election run again a few weeks later to see if you can win that one.

Can't even be bothered to comment on the national debt. If you can't see why it start rasing sharply before the Tories got into power, and continued to rise since, then there's no hope for you.

Just make sure you get your tissues ready for Friday morning.

Still didn't hear that one policy you are voting conservative on?

I have a feeling it will be the likes of you who will be worse off voting Tory, but hey we are all aspiring millionaires.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

Still didn't hear that one policy you are voting conservative on?

I have a feeling it will be the likes of you who will be worse off voting Tory, but hey we are all aspiring millionaires.

So look at someone of my other posts. You will probably be able to pick some up there if your that interested.

If you accuse someone of using soundbites and propaganda, and then say "It is zombies like you with a vote that are helping the rich get richer and the poor poorer. " then you do lose most of your credibility.

If it really means that much to you, list of the Tory policies and I will tick them for you.

No need to mention the really important ones of today, like Fox Hunting and Ivory as we have already covered those ones.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

Tubby-McFat-Fuc loses cool in embarrassing spat

Does he. Where?

SHOCKER - Lefties accuses someone of losing cool when they have nothing else to say!


SOrry have to go for a while now and earn some money to pay some taxes, to keep the great unwashed in the comfort they have become accustom to. We'll be buying their fags and iphone next. Oh wait, we already are. Well I better work harder then to pay for it all.