General Election 2017

[ManOfSussex]

And in what way, particularly, do you think any of our current political leaders are likely to appeal to the young voters who currently do not vote?

That's for the young to decide. The leaders and their message in a debate should be broadcast, as I say, to at least try and get that message across through exposing themselves by doing so.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Looking forward to Tiny Tim and his merry band of coalition of chaos followers giving it large when the local election results are announced tomorrow.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

But to a point that is what I am saying, my dad regularly cites his drama to even consider applying for a mortgage back in the 60's and so on through the generations, my own experience mirrors yours but 10 years earlier, I do not remember the houses being particularly cheap at the time but the credit was accessible and looking back seemed quite easy obtain, that was late 80's and then came the crash and high interest rates and tightening of credit and the inevitable difficulties again for first time buyers, then about 1996'sh I filled out a self cert. mortgage and it seemed easy again.

I guess banks lend on an improving market and then become reluctant if they forecast future decreases, at some point if the market is seen to be strong in the longer term then mortgage products will cater for the demand, although it does seem the easy credit you and I were 'fortunate' enough to access might not return anytime soon.

A property being around 70% of my annual salary is cheap irrespective of access to credit. It's now worth over 5 times what I paid for it. It's not cheap anymore. And few people's wages have improved 5 fold over the same period.

 

[GT49er]

That's for the young to decide. The leaders and their message in a debate should be broadcast, as I say, to at least try and get that message across through exposing themselves by doing so.

My point is, that no matter where and how often our current crop of leaders appear - or even expose themselves - I am at a loss to see how any of them would appeal to young people (who would probably switch channels anyway!) They don't even appeal very much to us older people, tbh!

 

[ManOfSussex]

My point is, that no matter where and how often our current crop of leaders appear - or even expose themselves - I am at a loss to see how any of them would appeal to young people (who would probably switch channels anyway!) They don't even appeal very much to us older people, tbh!

I agree with what you're saying there. I just think in the modern age the exposure given and the nature of the TV debate is the best chance of, or at least attempting to, connect and resonate with the young. It's a crime being committed by all parties in not resonating with young people, in my opinion.The first general election I voted in was 20 years ago - I wonder for how many young people this will be their first and how many will vote. You only had to look at Sky News the other day and they were interviewing young people who didn't even know a general election was happening! It's tragic.

 

[Titanic]

I agree with what you're saying there. I just think in the modern age the exposure given and the nature of the TV debate is the best chance of, or at least attempting to, connect and resonate with the young. It's a crime being committed by all parties in not resonating with young people, in my opinion.The first general election I voted in was 20 years ago - I wonder for how many young people this will be their first and how many will vote. You only had to look at Sky News the other day and they were interviewing young people who didn't even know a general election was happening! It's tragic.

You can thank 'New Labour' for the fall in young people voting.

In 1992 18-34yo turnout was just over 70%, by 2001 it was under 45%.

 

[Brighton Mod]

Not at all. Just manufacture things people want and need...like other European nations do. China doesn't make everything. Germany-makes all sorts, Italy-car parts, Finland-ships. Why was Germany manufacturing the steel cables which hold up the QE2 stadium? Perfect opportunity for a Brit company there. Why does the EU make 40% of the JCB? You tell me.

Why do JCB want out of Europe, why does the chairman of BMW want to trade with the world and not just the EU, you tell me, money makes the world go round as Liza Minelli sang, the EU will become more of a sideshow as business sorts itself out.

 

[ManOfSussex]

You can thank 'New Labour' for the fall in young people voting.

In 1992 18-34yo turnout was just over 70%, by 2001 it was under 45%.

Or you could thank the non existent opposition that was The Conservatives under New Labour - they're all guilty of it.

 

[GT49er]

You can thank 'New Labour' for the fall in young people voting.

In 1992 18-34yo turnout was just over 70%, by 2001 it was under 45%.

Man of Sussex is right - you can't blame just one party. Equally as likely as your suggestion would be the suggestion that John Major's Tory government in the years between 1992 and 1997 (when New Labour got in) bored young people so much that all the drop off from 70% occurred then. Maybe it dropped like a stone and actually picked back up again to 45% under New Labour - I don't know. Neither do you.

 

[beorhthelm]

And buying property has not always been difficult. I bought my first flat in the centre of Brighton near the station 20 years ago for much less than my annual salary. I remember thinking I actuslly had enough credit card limit to buy it on VISA. I'm not convinced this is still the case.

this anecdote actually highlights how undervalued parts of Brighton were. 20 years ago you could get a ~30k grant from the council to fix up a town house that probably cost only about twice that. worth 7 digits today, and i curse the fact i turned down the opportunity because i didnt want to get a mortgage so young you can still buy property cheap in this country if willing to live somewhere unfashionable or impoverished.

anyway, back to the sniping.

 

[beorhthelm]

I agree with what you're saying there. I just think in the modern age the exposure given and the nature of the TV debate is the best chance of, or at least attempting to, connect and resonate with the young.

when youth today are more likely to be watching various internet platforms, to the extend BBC moved BBC3 to online only, i think TV would be the last place to connect to the young. dont judge anything by a news crew asking people in the street and showing the 3-4 responses that match the story.

 

[BigGully]

A property being around 70% of my annual salary is cheap irrespective of access to credit. It's now worth over 5 times what I paid for it. It's not cheap anymore. And few people's wages have improved 5 fold over the same period.

My first house was in Sussex purchased in 1989 or 1990'sh for I think £70-£80 000, which was well above my annual salary, I then sold for £70 000 still higher than my annual salary at the time and I have checked and is now worth a modest approx. £230 000 today.

If we say that mortgage rates are generally 2% higher than the base rate, then if we take my first house bought in 1990 up to today's value this is generally how it looks.

Purchased 1990 @ £80 000 @ 12% monthly cost £843.00
Sold 1997 @ £70 000 @ 9% monthly cost £587.00
Value 2004 @ £160 000 @ 6% monthly costs £935.00
Current value @ £230 000 @ 2% monthly cost £975.00

I am not wholly sure where we are going with this, but lets throw in any real wage growth and the difficulties to afford my first 3 bed semi with a lovely back garden doesnt seem any less affordable today as at anytime throughout the past 27 years, other than accessing a mortgage, which is of course critical.

I know this isnt precision accounting but it offers an overview of what anybody's commitment might be and it doesn't seem to reflect your analysis.

 

[ManOfSussex]

when youth today are more likely to be watching various internet platforms, to the extend BBC moved BBC3 to online only, i think TV would be the last place to connect to the young. dont judge anything by a news crew asking people in the street and showing the 3-4 responses that match the story.

I had stated in previous posts on this that the debate needed to be on all the various platforms available, not just TV.

The news crew were merely showing apathy and indifference to this election that is out there - I know plenty of people who aren't voting or aren't interested.

 

[Titanic]

Man of Sussex is right - you can't blame just one party. Equally as likely as your suggestion would be the suggestion that John Major's Tory government in the years between 1992 and 1997 (when New Labour got in) bored young people so much that all the drop off from 70% occurred then. Maybe it dropped like a stone and actually picked back up again to 45% under New Labour - I don't know. Neither do you.

It was about 60% for the 1997 GE.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Why do JCB want out of Europe, why does the chairman of BMW want to trade with the world and not just the EU, you tell me, money makes the world go round as Liza Minelli sang, the EU will become more of a sideshow as business sorts itself out.

You've gone off on a strange tangent. You asked about British manufacturing and cited China...I suggested other European countries make a good fist of making things. I'm not sure what this has to do with the reply I quoted.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

My first house was in Sussex purchased in 1989 or 1990'sh for I think £70-£80 000, which was well above my annual salary, I then sold for £70 000 still higher than my annual salary at the time and I have checked and is now worth a modest approx. £230 000 today.

If we say that mortgage rates are generally 2% higher than the base rate, then if we take my first house bought in 1990 up to today's value this is generally how it looks.

Purchased 1990 @ £80 000 @ 12% monthly cost £843.00
Sold 1997 @ £70 000 @ 9% monthly cost £587.00
Value 2004 @ £160 000 @ 6% monthly costs £935.00
Current value @ £230 000 @ 2% monthly cost £975.00

I am not wholly sure where we are going with this, but lets throw in any real wage growth and the difficulties to afford my first 3 bed semi with a lovely back garden doesnt seem any less affordable today as at anytime throughout the past 27 years, other than accessing a mortgage, which is of course critical.

I know this isnt precision accounting but it offers an overview of what anybody's commitment might be and it doesn't seem to reflect your analysis.

so, same house is now 3 times what it was. Buyer now has to find an extra 150k over their lifetime. I hope their wages increased in line with this.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Despite the graffiti that is appearing across Hastings bearing the slogan - Amber Rudd Shame On You - Her Majesty's Principal Secretary of State for the Home Department hits the campaign trail today in her constituency. Those trainers.

 

[clippedgull]

Despite the graffiti that is appearing across Hastings bearing the slogan - Amber Rudd Shame On You - Her Majesty's Principal Secretary of State for the Home Department hits the campaign trail today in her constituency. Those trainers.

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Well she is running for office

Also, where the hell is her security detail?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Despite the graffiti that is appearing across Hastings bearing the slogan - Amber Rudd Shame On You - Her Majesty's Principal Secretary of State for the Home Department hits the campaign trail today in her constituency. Those trainers.

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Bloke in the middle looks like a peado. Bloke on right looks like a Polish odd job man.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Also, where the hell is her security detail?

Good question. They're normally around whenever she does actually condescend to visit her 'drug addicts on benefits' (her words, not mine) infested constituency protecting her from her constituents - http://www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/n...-by-home-secretary-s-special-branch-1-7780143