General Election 2017

[ManOfSussex]

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[sparkie]

She keeps on saying she's "very clear" - which she is - to the point of becoming invisible!

She might be "very clear", but she refuses to share the specifics of that "clarity" with the rest of us.

Doing her best to mess up an unassailable lead in this campaign.

They will be writing textbooks about this.

 

[ManOfSussex]

 

[pastafarian]

Nope I said nobody knew what a Leave vote meant. Including Remain voters.
Are you on glue today?!

its all there in black and white you liar

he also said no leavers knew what they were voting for

Nope I said nobody knew what a Leave vote meant. Including Remain voters.
Are you on glue today?!

This is a lie, you cant even remember what you have been saying

You can't be this thick!? Nobody voting leave knew what they were voting for. .

which glue are you on?

 

[Triggaaar]

I don't think I am mate.. To be honest you're making my point for me. I don't disagree with what you're saying, I disagree with the brigade on here that seem to think corbyn will lead us into a communist future, which is who that video is aimed at.

We already have a capitalist society that to some extent supports the poorest in our society. Many would like us to move to the left and offer more support for those that need it. That is not socialism, that's just capitalism slightly left of where we are now. But Corbyn wants actual socialism. Why else would he fly the socialist flag and praise socialists from other countries?

 

[Blue3]

Mrs Mays sound bites translations below:

"Brexit means Brexit" Means "My personal secret Brexit"

"Strong and Stable Government" stands for "Weak and Wobbley Government"

"Help for those who are just about managing" this was aimed at Landlords"

 

[pastafarian]

Jesus, you're hard work. Do you ever actually read what people write in response to you?

No, no I'm not. I am saying:


* some who voted remain did so because they believe access to the common market and other EU benefits comfortably trump the EU pitfalls
* some who voted remain did so because they believe access to the common market and other EU benefits comfortably anything the UK can manage on it's own, which is why we opted into the EEC in the first place
* some who voted remain did so because they didn't know what Brexit meant
* some who voted leave did so because they were worried about the federal path the EU is taking
* some who voted leave did so because they are upset about a particular issue - immigration being the main one, but also the cost with us being a net contributor

Anyone who fell into the last category did so without knowing their vote would fix their concern because we haven't seen the terms of divorce.



I'm sorry, I can't take anything you say seriously. I get more sense out of my six year old.

But to clarify in this instance, I was merely highlighting to pastafarian how ridiculous it is for him to accuse others of not answering his question because they don't happen to like his binary choices.

Thats pathetic
Are you Tim farron?

 

[Simster]

Thats pathetic
Are you Tim farron?

Is that the best you can do?

In your mind's eye you probably think you're winning the debate.

 

[pb21]

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Its OK, she has been found 'alive' and well terrorising young children at Kilham Hall community centre with her robot act. Just look at the young girl in the middle, traumatised for the rest of her life.

Bless, she just wanted to get out and meet the voters.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...b0bdd87e2f27f8#block-5931511ce4b0bdd87e2f27f8

 

[Ernest]

Theresa May: "You can only deliver Brexit if you believe in Brexit."

 

[Is it PotG?]

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Nice shoes. Not TOO sure about matey to her left.

 

[pastafarian]

Is that the best you can do?

currently yes
ive got a bloke coming round to clean the oven and he has phoned 3 times now lost.

ill deal with you fully later when i can concentrate

 

[seagulls4ever]

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FFS I thought we already established that this is FAKE news.

He's clearly said during the campaign he has no plans to abolish the monarchy. Indeed, it's not in the manifesto. Again, no plans to surrender Falklands. He has repeatedly criticised the abhorrent acts of terrorist groups. Being an MP is a full time job, and unlike some other MPs, he doesn't have another job on the side to boost his income. That aside, he's had trade union related jobs and volunteered in Jamaica for two years before he become an MP. When he was younger, he had a job as a paper boy. He didn't fail his A levels. He got two Es, at a time when the education system was very different. But those grades are not a fail. Not that it's particularly relevant anyway - Diane Abbot got grades good enough to be accepted into Cambridge - it doesn't mean she's a good politician.

You can not trust him and THINK he's going to do those things he's very clearly said he's not going to do, or things he's very clearly spoken out against. But to present what you consider are his plans as facts just stinks of just lies and scare tactics. His opinion on matters (e.g. he may not believe in the monarchy, like many others) does not mean he is going to abolish the monarchy, for example. As he said, he's not a dictator, he respects the democratic process of the Labour Party to collectively choose manifesto policies and his job is to lead the party on the basis of the views of the manifesto, not the views of Jeremy Corbyn. You saying he 'would abolish the monarchy' (factually incorrect) and then linking to an outdated article is irrelevant. Even then, you quoted the article as either saying 'he wants to reform her role and remove her power over Parliament' (that doesn't mean abolition). When it says he does dream of getting rid of the monarchy 'he's openly admitted it's not going to happen any time soon'.

But at least now I know where [MENTION=26105]Soulman[/MENTION] copy & pasted his 'facts' from.

 

[Simster]

currently yes
ive got a bloke coming round to clean the oven and he has phoned 3 times now lost.

ill deal with you fully later when i can concentrate

Bless.

When you say "deal with", do you mean "ask more silly questions and flatly refuse to accept a straight forward answer" or do you mean "refuse to engage with any point raised by anyone else" or will it be some other tiresome trait of a shouty simpleton ?

I really can't wait.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

currently yes
ive got a bloke coming round to clean the oven and he has phoned 3 times now lost.

ill deal with you fully later when i can concentrate

The mighty [MENTION=21401]pastafarian[/MENTION] reduced to a gibbering wreck.

 

[pb21]

Old Nige isn't May's biggest fan it seems:

"...she has gone from being their biggest asset to being their biggest liability."

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...b00493c827881f#block-59313e14e4b00493c827881f

What will Nige's acolytes do; Vote UKIP or vote for for a liability? What a quandary!

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Have you been drinking ? I ask as your arguments today ( on a number of topics ) are all over the place.

He's got a bloke coming around to fix is oven. We all know how debilitating and disabling this is

 

[Ernest]

Nice shoes. Not TOO sure about matey to her left.

I thought it was her feet

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Astounding results currently showing on the 01-06-2017 poll

 

[seagulls4ever]

That's not quite it. YouGov does have higher voting figures for 18-24s but it's because it takes voters at their word. So, if a 23-year-old says he's going to vote, YouGov takes that vote into account. Other pollsters don't take voters at their word and estimate according to previous elections: so only take into account 60% of young people's votes.

However, the poll that estimated a hung parliament used a completely different methodology, one that YouGov hadn't used before. It's called MRP and hasn't been used before in UK elections. YouGov pollsters are either going to be seen as geniuses or complete idiots on this (although at least one rival polling company say that YouGov's method is the future but may need to be refined.

I don't know why some people get the idea that YouGov is pro Labour (something I've seen mentioned a couple of times): the two founders are a Tory MP and a former Tory candidate, while the chairman worked for Saatchi & Saatchi and McKinsey and has been a Conservative party adviser. There's no Labour bias there

No ... as I understand it YouGov does not take voters at their word. They are still down weighting young voter turnout. I think a lot of other companies are expecting a young voter turnout comparable to the 2015 election, where as YouGov are expecting a young voter turnout similar to the 2010 GE.

It seems to me something very different is happening with young voters ... but we will have to wait to find out whether young voters actually turn out.

YouGov's latest poll (gap of just 3 points) also indicates a hung parliament, in addition to their experimental model.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/01/pollsters-experimental-election/
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/