General Election 2017

[TSB]

I'm staggered that May is actually worse at campaigning than Corbyn.
It almost defies belief to be this poor.

 

[Is it PotG?]

To my mind, the leave vote was potentially the worst decision this country has ever made,and, some of those that voted leave, voted for purely selfish reasons,so, to now come to those of us opposed to the outcome of the referendum, and , appeal to us for unity with a right wing Government, for the sake of a'good deal' , well, I admire their nerve.

Not appealing at all, I shall deal with whatever. As I said before, and 100% true, have never voted blue in my life. Simply applying logic over political passions.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

To my mind, the leave vote was potentially the worst decision this country has ever made,and, some of those that voted leave, voted for purely selfish reasons,so, to now come to those of us opposed to the outcome of the referendum, and , appeal to us for unity with a right wing Government, for the sake of a'good deal' , well, I admire their nerve.

The nation is seriously fractured. The only way the people can be brought together again is with a very convincing government who will deliver some sort of Brexit half-way house, eg a EEA. Sadly, I can't see this. The best option is a hung parliament purely so the Brexit terms get properly debated in parliament.

 

[lawros left foot]

Not appealing at all, I shall deal with whatever. As I said before, and 100% true, have never voted blue in my life. Simply applying logic over political passions.

I didn't particularly mean you personally, it's more the underlying Tory electioneering propaganda, that seems to imply that a vote, for anything but 'Strong and Stable' Conservative government, is somehow anti patriotic and playing into the hands of those sneaky, untrustworthy Johnny Foreigners.

 

[vegster]

May says that instead of taking part in the televised debate, she is engaging with real voters, not squabbling politicians.
I will watch the debate tonight because it is the closest i personally will get to any of the party leaders, cos, none of them come to Sunny Worthing, and if it wasn't for the debates, I wouldn't see or hear any of them. I imagine the same goes for the majority of the electorate, so, May really isn't serving our democracy at all, by nit taking part.

Makes me wonder just how scared she is.

She is VERY scared. So far she has shown a huge amount of incompetence and dithering. She seems petrified meeting "The ordinary Voters That Matter " hence the bussed in rentacrowds of loyal Tories who won't heckle and ask the question for her rehearsed answers. She has been as light on detail on so many issues such as taxation, the social care cap, NICS for the self employed and funding education and the NHS.... other than that all she can offer is the opinion that she is the hard nut who will win a victorious Brexit which will deliver all of us a new utopian society.... or takes us in to the wilderness.

I don't think Labour will win but their cause and manifesto is one that can't be argued with when confronted with continuing austerity and maybe jam tomorrow, although the flavour and rationing of that jam has yet to be decided by the relative bodies charged with its possible distribution. Jeremy Corbyn has come over considerably better than I thought he would when it comes to extolling his passion and hope for social justice for The Many and I hope Mrs May leads the Tories to a resounding slump in their vote. She has been promoted well beyond her abilities and it shows, if she ends up carrying on as PM it will be a sad day for this country.

 

[seagulls4ever]

I'm staggered that May is actually worse at campaigning than Corbyn.
It almost defies belief to be this poor.

Why? Corbyn is a very good campaigner, partly because he's spent most of his life doing it. He inherited a marginal constituency and over the years has produced a massive majority.

May, however, inherited a very safe Tory seat and has never had to work for it. She didn't have to campaign very hard to be leader of her party either as it was pretty much given to her after Andrea Leadsom withdrew, leaving her as the only candidate.

It seems to me a great positive of this election campaign is that many have seen Corbyn for who he truly is, rather than how the media portray him - and the same for Theresa May, who I've disliked for many years because of her immoral actions as Home Secretary.

 

[lawros left foot]

She is VERY scared. So far she has shown a huge amount of incompetence and dithering. She seems petrified meeting "The ordinary Voters That Matter " hence the bussed in rentacrowds of loyal Tories who won't heckle and ask the question for her rehearsed answers. She has been as light on detail on so many issues such as taxation, the social care cap, NICS for the self employed and funding education and the NHS.... other than that all she can offer is the opinion that she is the hard nut who will win a victorious Brexit which will deliver all of us a new utopian society.... or takes us in to the wilderness.

I don't think Labour will win but their cause and manifesto is one that can't be argued with when confronted with continuing austerity and maybe jam tomorrow, although the flavour and rationing of that jam has yet to be decided by the relative bodies charged with its possible distribution. Jeremy Corbyn has come over considerably better than I thought he would when it comes to extolling his passion and hope for social justice for The Many and I hope Mrs May leads the Tories to a resounding slump in their vote. She has been promoted well beyond her abilities and it shows, if she ends up carrying on as PM it will be a sad day for this country.

I agree with every word ,Vegster, unfortunately, im afraid I can only see a Tory majority of about 30ish,which will be a great shame and a missed opportunity for this country, to have a real left of centre Government, not, the sham socialists of Blair etc.

 

[vegster]

Why? Corbyn is a very good campaigner, partly because he's spent most of his life doing it. He inherited a marginal constituency and over the years has produced a massive majority.

May, however, inherited a very safe Tory seat and has never had to work for it. She didn't have to campaign very hard to be leader of her party either as it was pretty much given to her after Andrea Leadsom withdrew, leaving her as the only candidate.

It seems to me a great positive of this election campaign is that many have seen Corbyn for who he truly is, rather than how the media portray him - and the same for Theresa May, who I've disliked for many years because of her immoral actions as Home Secretary.

He has grown in stature over the course of this campaign and has not responded to May's personal attacks and jibes which has made her ever more swivel eyed and desperate..... I think if she wins with a poor majority there will be a brutal coup from the Tories within a year or two.

 

[Bozza]

I don't think Labour will win but their cause and manifesto is one that can't be argued with

Yes, yes it can.

Even before the IFS tore it to shreds, many were concerned on two fronts:

1) the "fully costed" was pie in the sky.
2) it involves borrowing eye watering sums of money.

Also, unfortunately, 1 leads to more of 2.

I like the Lib Dems clear and honest take on it: they'll add 1p to income tax to ensure the NHS is properly funded. I'm happy with that.

 

[studio150]

I still cannot understand why so much delight is being taken from May's awful campaign when ultimately we'll all pay when Brexit negs shaft us left right and centre with a possible hung parliament.

Concerned of Sussex

As opposed to Mrs May walking away with no deal.

She really has shown tremendous skills so far, increase NI contributions to self employed, discontent shown reversed decision Dementia tax uproar follows, backs down with some very vague cap limit.

It just looks like if Mrs May says to the EU want this and they shout back Nein she will collapse and agree whatever they put forward or walk away without a deal

 

[Ernest]

May says she hates sound bites which is her latest excuse for not turning up tonight, I think that's the 4th now. This is rich coming from 'Strong and Stable' , 'Coalition of Chao', 'Strengthen my hand' etc Theresa May who has only spouted soundbites since she called her coronation

 

[Scotchegg]

May says she hates sound bites which is her latest excuse for not turning up tonight, I think that's the 4th now. This is rich coming from 'Strong and Stable' , 'Coalition of Chao', 'Strengthen my hand' etc Theresa May who has only spouted soundbites since she called her coronation

Well you would say that! No deal is better than a bad deal however.

No deal is better than a bad deal no deal is better than a bad deal no deal is better than a bad deal help someone find me some child's flesh to eat!

 

[seagulls4ever]

Well you would say that! No deal is better than a bad deal however.

No deal is better than a bad deal no deal is better than a bad deal no deal is better than a bad deal help someone find me some child's flesh to eat!

Conservative thinking in regards to tonight's debate: no Theresa May is better than a bad Theresa May.

 

[beorhthelm]

So a no deal Brexit and fall in GDP is only going to cost an estimated £30BN over the next 17 years then? I read a BOA report that put it at a cost of 5-10% of GDP by 2030 equating to £100-£200BN. There are others costs and implications to Brexit too, not just money as well, but as Brexit is all about believe, we can believe who we want.

I know Labour propose spending £500Billion extra over the next 10 years. If that's what people want and vote for, so be it. Their manifesto at least seems more popular than The Conservatives one.

As Brexit means Brexit, Labour means Labour, No deal is better than a bad deal, any non Tory candidate, is better than a Tory one etc- they've got my vote for the first time in 20 years.

i meant £30bn a year by 2030. 2019 next year it would a 1bn or so and accumulate. only its not a real cost, its an opportunity cost, what could have been if all other factors remained the same for the period (which of course they wont). where as Labours commitment starts next year with a deficit of at least ~50bn (current deficit+unfunded tuition fees+25Bn) and will grow every year. if anyone is worried about the economic cost of Brexit they should be 10x concerned about Labour's economic policy.

it does seem popular, of course it would be to be promised lots of spending, jam today and tomorrow. i shouldnt really be worried, i'll be OK during the boom years and will cope with the downturn. bigger the boom bigger the bust, eventually the spending commitments stops or have to continue ever more, the interest rates rise substantialy to cover attract the cash. it wont be the few paying for the outcome, it will be the many in 10-15 years time.

 

[seagulls4ever]

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[TSB]

Why? Corbyn is a very good campaigner, partly because he's spent most of his life doing it. He inherited a marginal constituency and over the years has produced a massive majority.

May, however, inherited a very safe Tory seat and has never had to work for it. She didn't have to campaign very hard to be leader of her party either as it was pretty much given to her after Andrea Leadsom withdrew, leaving her as the only candidate.

It seems to me a great positive of this election campaign is that many have seen Corbyn for who he truly is, rather than how the media portray him - and the same for Theresa May, who I've disliked for many years because of her immoral actions as Home Secretary.

Because he's not a good campaigner to my mind.
He avoids answering questions or giving realistic figures. He promises things that we know can't be delivered. He's put Diane Abbott front and centre. He makes brilliant gaffes, such as the one on childcare.
He's coasted through previous contests buffed up by unions.
He not charming or a commanding presence and he looks weak, bumbling and scruffy. Like a granddad.

I'm no May fan and see her inability to get anything done for the country in the past 12 months as indication of how much she'd likely achieve in the future.
But she's more articulate than Corbyn. She's younger than Corbyn. Has some half-decent cabinet colleagues stumping for her. Has the full backing of her party (versus a deeply divided Labour), Has the momentum from the Local elections. Has 90% of the media on her side. And has the vote of the vast majority of 51.9% of the British public locked-up.
Added to that: Terrorism always helps the right-of-centre party.

And yet he's currently besting her every move.

I'm rather surprised.

 

[wellquickwoody]

I find it quite funny how every conservative sign I've seen up has been vandalised

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Ahh, the left in support of free speech again, a movement whose support is like Peter Pan himself, never grows up but just blames everyone else. One party state for you perhaps?

 

[Wrong-Direction]

May is clearly out of her depth, it's a real shame we probably need 2 or 3 generations of shysters to die out before any real change

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[Neville's Breakfast]

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Do you approve of people booing and jeering politicians when they arrive for debates ? How do you think it looks to the millions of Tory voters ? I can tell you; it does more harm than good. What significance is there in a small group of people booing and jeering ? Do you think JC would approve ? Seems to me a lot of his supporters don't really understand the kinder politics he has called for.

 

[vegster]

Yes, yes it can.

Even before the IFS tore it to shreds, many were concerned on two fronts:

1) the "fully costed" was pie in the sky.
2) it involves borrowing eye watering sums of money.

Also, unfortunately, 1 leads to more of 2.

I like the Lib Dems clear and honest take on it: they'll add 1p to income tax to ensure the NHS is properly funded. I'm happy with that.

The IFS was scathing when referring to the Tory manifesto too of course but there you go. Labour offer hope for many millions of JAM's, NHS workers, council workers and those on crap or zero hours contracts, for the many, not the few.... So, what's on the table from the Tories then ? the Dementia Tax, increases in self employed NICS and currently its falling budgets for many schools and hospitals, the continual stagnation of wage growth for millions in the public and private sectors. Now do you see why so many people are turning to Labour ? So why should I vote Tory ? what's in it for me ? tax cuts ? there's nothing left to sell to fund them. so, we are left with ongoing erosion of all we take for granted.

There's an old Chinese proverb that says " Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees "