General Election 2017

[Buzzer]

We will still be doing the same with our membership of NATO, UN, WTO. NATO binds us to a % spend on defence for example. We cede our sovereign rights beyond our EU membership, and even leaving the EU doesn't give us sovereign independence, other than we can leave all our other treaty agreements at any time we choose. No trade agreement is without compromise, ceding ground, and agreeing a set of terms and conditions.

Well..I'm not sure the NATO budget is a particularly good example given that only US, UK and Greece (and the only reason Greece are is that Germany and France insisted they bought their weapons) are fulfilling that pledge but I take your point. However, NATO is about mutual defence and the stipulation is about defence budget. There is a direct link between the two, there's a clear reason why, the agreement doesn't have grey areas outside of defence spending and it's transparent to the voters of the NATO countries. The same can't be said for the EU.

 

[The Clamp]

You really don’t have to convince me, I agree with you fully that you personally didn’t know what you were voting for.You have confirmed this by stating for you it was simply IN or OUT and there was no other information about the consequences of your vote.You ticked IN not knowing how it affected those 5 main areas. I wish I could be that simple but I cant, I knew fully what I was voting for.Considering you had other noteworthy clangers like there will be a second referendum in a couple of months and the economy is crashing (when it wasn’t) it would be a bit harsh to be too hard on you. You simply are not cut out for this type of thing.

I'll be generous and put aside all your desperate references of past posts and play the ball, not the man and ask you: Please, go through your criteria list, point by point and tell me what is definitely going to happen with those. If you can do that then I'll agree you knew what you were voting for.

 

[beorhthelm]

[MENTION=20527]studio150[/MENTION] and [MENTION=16159]Bold Seagull[/MENTION] I think that what you both mentioned highlights why I distrust the EU or more specifically the Eurocrats and politicians who champion it. It seems highly suspect to me on a philosophical level that in order to get a trade agreement, a country must cede its legal supremacy and agree to closer political unity with countries with disparate cultures.

It flies in the face of one of the jus cogens of international law that every country has the right to self-determination.

absolutly. they are talking about forcing euro for all members within the next 10 years, and the federalisation of EU is still the objective even if its on pause. its an awful lot of sacrifice.

 

[Gwylan]

May stormed to an inevitable landslide until the media thought hold on lets make it more competitive and we were then fed that somehow Corbyn is a good principled guy ...

When was this? There have been non-stop anti-Corbyn headlines in the papers for the past month - even the centre/left Guardian and the 'independent' BBC have been joining in the kicking. It's got so bad that even an old Tory like David Dimbleby has waded in to complain about the anti-Corbyn headlines.

He's had support from the Mirror, the Morning Star and, to a certain extent, the Independent but apart from these, it's been open season on the bloke.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Why wouldn't I call you a leftie, with a response like that, you seem to be acting like one. I was trying to be nice.

Maybe I should just call you an idiot then, because if you genuinely think

"If she thinks threatening to flounce off is the best plan."

that that line is true, then what else are you but an complete idiot?

I was objecting to the implication that anyone who does not think that May is doing a great job is a leftie. If that was not what you were implying, I apologise.

On the tellybox yesterday I though she did a good job (and said so). I think she rode the obvious question (how can you manage Brexit when you voted against it?) well. Equally I thought Jezza shrugged off the IRA questions well, and using much the same strategy: we are where we are.

Anyway . . .apologies again.

 

[jakarta]

Seeing as they nearly killed him, killed some of his closest friends and put his wife in a wheelchair, I think he's entitled to rant a little about the IRA.

He clearly hasn't changed his hairstyle, he really should move on...

 

[Two Professors]

I lived in Gaborone for 2 years. It was brutally attacked on several occasions by apartheid South Africa, resulting in innocent lives being lost as a result of a despicable regime supported and supplied arms by the Conservative Government of the day. Should I not vote Conservative as a result of what South Africa did to Botswana and other neighbouring countries in the 1980s?

I know lefties only like the history they think happened,but sometimes the truth interferes with their weirdness!

 

[Hastings gull]

When was this? There have been non-stop anti-Corbyn headlines in the papers for the past month - even the centre/left Guardian and the 'independent' BBC have been joining in the kicking. It's got so bad that even an old Tory like David Dimbleby has waded in to complain about the anti-Corbyn headlines.

He's had support from the Mirror, the Morning Star and, to a certain extent, the Independent but apart from these, it's been open season on the bloke.

Perhaps if he were less shambolic, then the "open season" as you say, might be less open. He goes into a nursery to be filmed with kids, as all politicians like to do, then talks of a flagship policy, knowing full well that there is doubt amongst the electorate as to how all his goodie bags are to be paid for, and then hasn't a clue how much it costs. He does rather ask for it.

 

[seagulls4ever]

Theresa May has defended herself over remarks she made today about Jeremy Corbyn not being able to negotiate for Britain in future Brexit talks.

At a campaign event this afternoon Mrs May had said Mr Corbyn's policies and stance would leave him "alone and naked" in the negotiating chamber of the EU, adding: "I know that's an image that doesn't bear thinking about."

She was later questioned about her use of the language in an interview tonight for Channel 5 News. Political editor Andy Bell asked Mrs May whether - had the remarks been made about her - she would find them acceptable and if it showed that she was becoming "desperate".

The Prime Minister replied: "No. What this shows is that this is the most crucial election this country has faced in my lifetime".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to3OHICF5VY

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Where's the media storm?

Disgusting behaviour from Theresa May. If Corbyn had said that about her, it would be headline news, and surely the complete collapse of his campaign. Yet because May said it, we are hardly hearing a peep of it in the media.

Well done to 5News for at least bringing it up. It's a shame the other media outlets can't do the same.

 

[seagulls4ever]

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[Pretty pink fairy]

I'll be generous and put aside all your desperate references of past posts and play the ball, not the man and ask you: Please, go through your criteria list, point by point and tell me what is definitely going to happen with those. If you can do that then I'll agree you knew what you were voting for.

Isn't about time you got your coat and stopped trying to save face
regards
DR

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

[MENTION=20527]studio150[/MENTION] and [MENTION=16159]Bold Seagull[/MENTION] I think that what you both mentioned highlights why I distrust the EU or more specifically the Eurocrats and politicians who champion it. It seems highly suspect to me on a philosophical level that in order to get a trade agreement, a country must cede its legal supremacy and agree to closer political unity with countries with disparate cultures.

It flies in the face of one of the jus cogens of international law that every country has the right to self-determination.

I always read your posts and agree with pretty much everything you write, yet I still have my doubts (about what will inevitably happen if, no, when more nations pull away from the EU). My concern is that the beasts of Europe will awaken. Germany in particular. Germany has felt for a long time happy to be loved (well, not all Germans, and not exactly loved, by recognised as part of the gang). I have been inclined to put up with a lot of EU shit for the sake of 'no wars' and a bit of live and let live (plus the easy travel and general sense of belonging to a bloc that can stick two fingers up to Uncle Sam). But . . . yes . . . a lot of shit. A lot of needless shit. Undemocratic shit. Pointlessly annoying shit. Mind you the way it has been spun by the Mail, Sun, Times and Express ever since Maggie changed her mind about jonny wog, has been reprehensible (with most of the thickies still thinking the EU wants us to have square eggs, straight bananas, everybody speaking German, and only the French allowed to fish in British Waters, etc). But I digress. The EU was annoying but it seems to have precluded war in Europe for a long time. That said . . . . sometimes I feel like I would have been one of those muppets cheering when Chamberlain waved his Piece of Paper . . . . Still there is a big difference between appeasing the bumbling annoying EU and appeasing Hitler. If our leaving the EU will simply leave the EU happy and intact and trading with happy us, I'd move along realising there is nothing to see here. But I am concerned the whole lot will collapse and carnage will resume. Mind you, with the Islamonazis running amok, as they are, no end in sight, would we even notice the difference?

Time will tell, as always. Cheers.

 

[Buzzer]

Where's the media storm?

Disgusting behaviour from Theresa May. If Corbyn had said that about her, it would be headline news, and surely the complete collapse of his campaign. Yet because May said it, we are hardly hearing a peep of it in the media.

Well done to 5News for at least bringing it up. It's a shame the other media outlets can't do the same.

That is pretty bad. No two ways about it. Not excusing her comments for one second but I suspect any male politician who said that about a female politician would cop a load more grief than vice versa.

But you're right, this is gutter politics and needs calling out.

 

[CHAPPERS]

I always read your posts and agree with pretty much everything you write, yet I still have my doubts (about what will inevitably happen if, no, when more nations pull away from the EU). My concern is that the beasts of Europe will awaken. Germany in particular. Germany has felt for a long time happy to be loved (well, not all Germans, and not exactly loved, by recognised as part of the gang). I have been inclined to put up with a lot of EU shit for the sake of 'no wars' and a bit of live and let live (plus the easy travel and general sense of belonging to a bloc that can stick two fingers up to Uncle Sam). But . . . yes . . . a lot of shit. A lot of needless shit. Undemocratic shit. Pointlessly annoying shit. Mind you the way it has been spun by the Mail, Sun, Times and Express ever since Maggie changed her mind about jonny wog, has been reprehensible (with most of the thickies still thinking the EU wants us to have square eggs, straight bananas, everybody speaking German, and only the French allowed to fish in British Waters, etc). But I digress. The EU was annoying but it seems to have precluded war in Europe for a long time. That said . . . . sometimes I feel like I would have been one of those muppets cheering when Chamberlain waved his Piece of Paper . . . . Still there is a big difference between appeasing the bumbling annoying EU and appeasing Hitler. If our leaving the EU will simply leave the EU happy and intact and trading with happy us, I'd move along realising there is nothing to see here. But I am concerned the whole lot will collapse and carnage will resume. Mind you, with the Islamonazis running amok, as they are, no end in sight, would we even notice the difference?

Time will tell, as always. Cheers.

I wouldn't worry too much, BoJo is Foreign Secretary. We're in safe hands.

 

[seagulls4ever]

That is pretty bad. No two ways about it. Not excusing her comments for one second but I suspect any male politician who said that about a female politician would cop a load more grief than vice versa.

But you're right, this is gutter politics and needs calling out.

I think whatever side you're on, there's not a single person who can defend those remarks, especially given the important context of the GE. I can't believe she's pretty much got away with it.

 

[Two Professors]

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Could always cover his modesty with his i-Pad,allegedly!

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Wakey wakey!!! , only a few months ago members of his own party were resigning because they had no faith in him, what's changed to make him any better ..........answer =NOTHING
regards
DR

 

[Gwylan]

Perhaps if he were less shambolic, then the "open season" as you say, might be less open.

That's not really the point though (although the childcare example was today and there have been months of anti-Corbyn headlines). I was answering Big Gully's post that the mainstream media were talking up Corbyn, I've yet to see any evidence of that ... and you seem to be agreeing with me

 

[Hastings gull]

She says "you're holding your manifesto, you're flicking through it, you've got an iPad there, you've had a phone call while we're in here, and you don't know how much it is going to cost".

I've just re-watched the video and he does actually flick through the manifesto for a second (flicks through the pages rapidly but at a zillion mph so clearly not trying to read anything, it just looked like nerves). This is after someone puts the manifesto on the table after she had already asked the question. He never holds it.

It also looks like someone did try to call him, and he put his phone away. "You've had a phone call while we're in here" implies he answered a call, possibly from someone trying to provide him with the correct figure. I'm not sure what the point of mentioning that was either, except to try and make him look bad.

It seems to me she presented a skewed version of the events that occurred in the previous seconds.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40090520

He has himself to blame, pure and simple. He must have known that the question of cost for all his give-aways would come up, as it has done repeatedly during the campaign and hadn't got a clue. Perhaps the phone call was someone desperately trying to give him the figure that he should have known. He then became clearly flustered, fumbling about, realising the damage to his image.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I wouldn't worry too much, BoJo is Foreign Secretary. We're in safe hands.

You *******! That made me blow a bit of my dinner out of my nose