General Election 2017

[Lincoln Imp]

Absolutely this.

Corbyn is showing 300 times the balls he showed in the EU Referendum because he really believes in what he's talking about this time, Abbot is a scary buffoon but so is Boris. May has shown herself to be anything but strong and stable. Tim Farron only has to show his weasel-faced churchiness for about 10 seconds to remind me that the Lib Dems, for all I agree with them on Europe, are still the party of Bellotti and Baker. God knows why I even considered them.

We are still caught between a rock and a hard place. We are still f***ed. But I'm facing up to my democratic duty by picking the manifesto I prefer and the politician that believes in it - and that's Labour.

I don't think you should not vote for the party whose policies you like just because of the leader's churchiness (great word by the way). I agree with you and Bozza about Clegg. He shouldn't have walked.

 

[mikeyjh]

How anyone can vote for this cluster**** May is beyond me - "Now in her 2017 manifesto, she's ruled out a VAT rise, but not a rise in national insurance or income tax. Why, asks Andrew Neil?"

.."Because I want to be very clear that as a Conservative party in government, as we always have been, we're a party that believes in lower taxes.I have every intention of reducing taxes on companies and working families," she says, "but I want to ensure that when we do that, we are able to do that in a sustainable way."

If, and it's a big if, the publics really get to see the leaders for what they are, we could win this...

 

[nicko31]

The EU has made it quite clear that a larger Tory majority will have no effect on the negotiations. The election is being staged for the internal convenience of the Tory Party, nothing else.

Our 2 year Brexit window is being eaten into and we are having an election so the Tories can try and win a few more seats,

 

[Guinness Boy]

General Election - New poll added 21/05/17

14 out of 16 MPs in Sussex are Conservative. After this election I suspect it will be 14 or 15. I actually feel sorry for the Labour supporters on this site trying to whip themselves up thinking that some 1970s red revolution is going to sweep us away.

They don't. The most that's being hoped for is a cut down of the landslide that May's taken for granted. As for Sussex MPs, Lucas will hold easily, Kirby is in real trouble due to being effing useless and Hove is anyone's (though the Tories haven't exactly put up an A* candidate). Most of the rest of Sussex would vote for anything in a blue rosette, even you. It's about as newsworthy as Paddington taking a dump in some trees.


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[Guinness Boy]

Meanwhile in Wales...

http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2017-05-22/poll-shows-labour-reclaiming-lead-in-wales/


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[ManOfSussex]

They don't. The most that's being hoped for is a cut down of the landslide that May's taken for granted. As for Sussex MPs, Lucas will hold easily, Kirby is in real trouble due to being effing useless and Hove is anyone's (though the Tories haven't exactly put up an A* candidate). Most of the rest of Sussex would vote for anything in a blue rosette, even you. It's about as newsworthy as Paddington taking a dump in some trees.


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Excellent chance for Kelly-Marie Blundell in Lewes too. Decent chance for Stephen Lloyd in Eastbourne and a chance, no more than that but a chance none-the-less, for Peter Chowney in Hastings & Rye.

 

[vegster]

Corbyn the biggest joke around along with Farron, more like Laurel and Hardy. Grand ideas with no way of paying for them

You should check out May's shifty evasions when actually facing some questions, every time she is put on the spot a little bit more credibility falls off her. No grand ideas except increasing government income from the many rather than the few.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I don't think you should not vote for the party whose policies you like just because of the leader's churchiness (great word by the way). I agree with you and Bozza about Clegg. He shouldn't have walked.

It was a good word but what I meant is I find him an illiberal liberal.


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[midnight_rendezvous]

The policies are irrelevant for this election. We are facing the biggest changes to the Country in a lifetime with Brexit and just need to make sure we have the best people in charge to handle the tough negotiations, decisions & fallouts that will transpire. How some think that is Corbyn is frankly shocking, delusional & laughable.

JC has been ice cool despite being under relentless pressure. Theresa May on the other hand has gone into total meltdown in the five days since the launch of her shambolic and completely uncosted "magic money tree" manifesto.

On Saturday she posted a bizarre rambling, reality-denying Facebook rant that would have people saying "you alright hon?" if a personal friend had posted such a nonsensical tirade.

Today she's done a total climbdown on a manifesto policy (I don't recall seeing a party leader ever do that in the history of UK politics, do you?) and tried to dismiss the criticism with a crackpot conspiracy theory that it's all some kind "fake" plot by Jeremy Corbyn.

It doesn't matter whether you prefer, surely you can see that one of these leaders has the temperament to stand up to whatever the EU throws at them, and the other is likely to totally dissolve under the pressure?

 

[Guinness Boy]

General Election - New poll added 21/05/17

How anyone can vote for this cluster**** May is beyond me - "Now in her 2017 manifesto, she's ruled out a VAT rise, but not a rise in national insurance or income tax. Why, asks Andrew Neil?"

.."Because I want to be very clear that as a Conservative party in government, as we always have been, we're a party that believes in lower taxes.I have every intention of reducing taxes on companies and working families," she says, "but I want to ensure that when we do that, we are able to do that in a sustainable way."

If, and it's a big if, the publics really get to see the leaders for what they are, we could win this...

It's no wonder she didn't want a debate.


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[ROSM]

As [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] mentions i am not Corbyn's number one fan. There are lots of his past i dont like. There are lots of his recent past like brexit i feel let down by.

However i can not vote tory , and i really do believe that the labour manifesto more touches my cultural g spot. So i will be voting labour. Give ukips flight to the tories it means simon kirby will likely survive in my constituency but i will my bit

 

[vegster]

JC has been ice cool despite being under relentless pressure. Theresa May on the other hand has gone into total meltdown in the five days since the launch of her shambolic and completely uncosted "magic money tree" manifesto.

On Saturday she posted a bizarre rambling, reality-denying Facebook rant that would have people saying "you alright hon?" if a personal friend had posted such a nonsensical tirade.

Today she's done a total climbdown on a manifesto policy (I don't recall seeing a party leader ever do that in the history of UK politics, do you?) and tried to dismiss the criticism with a crackpot conspiracy theory that it's all some kind "fake" plot by Jeremy Corbyn.

It doesn't matter whether you prefer, surely you can see that one of these leaders has the temperament to stand up to whatever the EU throws at them, and the other is likely to totally dissolve under the pressure?

You are forgetting her paranoid rant against Europe soon after she called the election " Threats have been made against the UK and there has been an attempt to destabilise the election " .... the sort of swivel-eyed foaming rant you would expect from someone in a Berlin bunker.

 

[Machiavelli]

I'm not sure I can agree with that. He has come under more pressure than I can perhaps remember any party leader being subjected to from within their own ranks, their own press, the media in general. He has withstood a barrage and has he changed any of his beliefs to appease any of those people? No, he has stood by the mandate he got elected to leader of his party on, twice, and put that into costed clear policy without diluting it to appease. That has taken fight. Really disingenuous to suggest he has just gone through what any other leader has and its just the business of electioneering. You might disagree with his policies, but I think he will come out of this election with a lot more respect than he went in with, and he will have earned it.

My view is that Corbyn has been a disaster for his first 18 months because he's refused to engage with the media, and insert himself within their (admittedly unpleasant and biased) games, in the bizarre hope that a new social media will be able to compensate for bypassing the 'MSM'. On top of this, there has been numerous odd attempts to 'lead' the shadow cabinet and PLP.
That said, he's had a good election campaign, in no small part because he's finally attempted to get himself out there and persuade the electorate. This is in stark contrast to May and the Tories, who have decided to adopt Corbyn's pre-election silence strategy or, at the very least, to restrict their comments to simplistic mantras which have been rightfully exposed as deeply cynical (although not by the MSM). There's also the paucity of policies proposed by the Tories and, for the little that they have announced, they've even decided to backtrack from their main one.
The Tories really aren't having a good campaign.

 

[This is me]

Even today's Mirror is predicting the likeliest result as being 75-125 Tory majority at 11/2.

Sussex will be left with a Green MP & a sea of blue around - Labour are finished.
Hopefully, a new Labour Party will resurface once Corbyn & his Marxist allies are disposed with in the autumn.

 

[Ernest]

You are forgetting her paranoid rant against Europe soon after she called the election " Threats have been made against the UK and there has been an attempt to destabilise the election " .... the sort of swivel-eyed foaming rant you would expect from someone in a Berlin bunker.

Crush the saboteurs no less

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

http://www.canyoutrusttheresa.com/

 

[Guinness Boy]

Even today's Mirror is predicting the likeliest result as being 75-125 Tory majority at 11/2.

Sussex will be left with a Green MP & a sea of blue around - Labour are finished.
Hopefully, a new Labour Party will resurface once Corbyn & his Marxist allies are disposed with in the autumn.

The end of April just phoned. They want their opinion back.


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[cheshunt seagull]

What an embarrassment many on this site are. Get out of your Hanover vegan, public worker, remoaner socialist pseudo Islington homes - & pop over to anywhere else in Sussex. Corbyn is going to get his arse kicked, kicked & kicked. Labour is an utter irrelevance in most of the country. Whip yourselves to a fever in your 3 square mile radius, but prepare yourself for a 100+ deficit & Bexit.

Interested in the concept of a pseudo -Islington home. Please describe as I think I want one...as a public worker I could never live anywhere near the real Islington.

 

[Ernest]

The end of April just phoned. They want their opinion back.


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Hate to dig up old wounds but what price were Albion to win the Championship after the Wigan game ? About a similar price to a Tory majority

 

[Scotchegg]

In my view, the negotiations with the EU would be better served under a leader that is strong on egalitarianism and stable with his politics. This is not May - the woman is a lunatic - while she would undoubtedly find the best deal for her international friends in business, she has no interest in doing that same thing for the British people.

Diplomacy and good relations with our soon-to-be former EU partners is far the best way to negotiate our way out of the European Union, not this wannabe "iron fist" stance that will only further antagonise those 27 nations into looking to harm us as a nation. Corbyn is the man to lead us through these negotiations - not the incompetent, gurning, hypocritical and weak Theresa May.

I'm inclined to agree. Despite being a massive lefty socialist I dunno, whatever you want to call me, I wasn't corbyns number one fan. I'm resigned to brexit these days however, and as much as I despise some of the tory policies of the last few years, I'm not so much of a masochist that I want the EU negotiations to leave us any more in the shitter that needs be. I didn't back corbyn before because I thought he was all activist when sometimes he should have been a politician, as much as I sort of hate saying it. May has completely scuppered any semblance of respect I had for her though with this campaign, I think she is a disaster, whilst corbyn has seemingly shown a bit of mettle and come up looking pretty strong. I don't think labour will win, but I also don't think May has what it takes to sort out brexit in any decent manner.

Is all a bit of a sorry state really, but I'm more behind corbyn now than I ever have been and brexit aside, the labour manifesto was leagues ahead of the tories offering.