Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Were Ant and Dec with him ?
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General Election 2015
- Thread starter Herr Tubthumper
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Were Ant and Dec with him ?
Foot in mouth Ed Balls and cash in hand jobs. What a plum.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...rs-who-claimed-expenses-without-receipts.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...rs-who-claimed-expenses-without-receipts.html
mikeyjh
Well-known member
Can't believe no-one has mentioned Gideon encouraging benefit scrounging yet? http://www.theguardian.com/politics...nancial-loopholes-to-avoid-tax-and-care-costs
Fug me the nasties are hypocrites.
Fug me the nasties are hypocrites.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
mikeyjh
Well-known member
Maybe, but as Miliband says, there's a hell of a difference between a hedge trimmer and a hedge fund manager.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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actually the difference is immaterial. whats more concerning is that Balls suggested getting a receipt would have any impact upon tax avoidance. it doesnt, as there's no requirement for the receipt holder to pay tax, and no requirement for the service provider to track that receipt. so pay cash get receipt and the money can still go undeclared. its indicative of a would be chancellor who has a worry lack of understanding of practicalities of policy.
the other issue raised this weekend was the idea reducing tax avoidance would raise revenue to spend on apprenticeships, a noble use of government money. however, reducing tax avoidance means removing allowances and reliefs that are used for that avoidance, or in other words, tax rises. we wouldn't be in this mess if the government kept using weaselly terminology to say what they want. we also heard that Labour donors, unions and Miliband himself have all engage in tax avoidance, but that's no revelation really, we are all at it after all.
Machiavelli
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I disagree with you politically, but -- in stark contrast to other posters that come from your political position on this thread -- think this is an intelligent and fair account of the current situation. The only thing I'd really disagree with you on is Nick Robinson. As political editor of the BBC, he's hardly likely to paint himself into a corner of being perceived as favouring any party, especially when the situation is still fluid and ultimately unclear (although what clarity there is still points to a hung parliament).
Machiavelli
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He's done this, he went to grammar school. But the real question is, how shall we put this, who is the most endowed?
seagullsovergrimsby
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Not so good when you take into consideration the number of workers on zero hour contracts , part timers who can't get extra hours to make the hours up to full time , self employed workers earning less than NMW and millions on minimum wage having to rely on tax credits because their employer knows the state will top up the employees measly wages.
mikeyjh
Well-known member
Indeed, it is the most misleading statistic you'll ever see - Peddled along with low inflation (almost entirely due to factors outside of the govt influence) as some sort of validation of their austerity measures.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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unless you are going to contrast with the zero hours, part timers, self employed, and minimum wage earners historically, then this consideration is largely meaningless. thats not to say that unemployment number is a great guide, for all these reason it has always been flawed. but it has always given a high profile. total hours worked is better, far lower profile though. the total in employment is well above historic levels.
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This. Some sort of breakdown is needed before anyone can make a comment on relative employment. I read sometime ago those registering as self-employed is soaring due to people working through, I think, employment agencies. Whilst registers under this class it doesn't mean they will always be in work.
Make of this analysis what you will...
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-truth-jobs-wages/19959
I also suspect it might be to do with people getting to the end of their six months JSA. When it happened to me last year they suggested I came up with a business idea. If it was agreed then there was a free training course I could pick, a few extra benefit payments and an extention of six months to my JSA ( although it would change name ). At this point, all of a sudden, you're self employed and off that magic figure they want to keep down !
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,015
the last few paragraphs will burst a few bubbles.
What will those on the left make of these figures, not the story they keep telling.
somerset
New member
It never stopped you using and quoting it before the recent downturn in numbers, did it Herr Hypocrite.
seagullsovergrimsby
#cpfctinpotclub
Latest TNS poll has Lab with a 7% lead - CON 28%, LAB 35%, LDEM 6%, UKIP 18%, GRN 7%
Does this offset the earlier poll from ICM which showed the Tories with a 4% lead
Does this offset the earlier poll from ICM which showed the Tories with a 4% lead
Frampler
New member
This particular record is mentioned every time they announce the unemployment figures. The population of this country is currently the highest it's ever been, so of course the number of people in work will be a record. The unemployment rate - 5.7% - isn't anywhere near a record. In fact, it's about level with the average during the Blair-Brown years.