General Election 2015

[Buzzer]

This is like those Sun headlines where they say "Phew, what a scorcher, it's hotter than Ibiza" on the single day when it's hot in the UK and the researcher had dredged the world's weather to find a normally warm country which is unseasonably mild on this particular day.

So Bloomberg are wrong then? It's just a blip...somehow the British economy won't be expanding and the German economy won't be retracting any day now?

 

[clippedgull]

Good idea. Labour will turn this country to shit.

The Tories are doing a pretty good job of that currently. That's not to say I disagree with you. But the Tory Rats need to be sent a few home truths.

 

[CheeseRolls]

And I did send this to Herr T yesterday but I thought I'd share it here too. You know that great German economy that he holds up as the gold standard by which all other economies should be matched? It's now being outperformed by Spain.

...Yes...I did mean Spain.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-10/europe-s-growth-engine-stutters-as-spain-beats-germany.html

Yesterday I ran 100 metres in 19.6 seconds. This was over a second faster than my previous personal best. Usain Bolt, has performed nowhere near his best in the last quarter. I therefore claim to have outperformed Usain Bolt at 100m sprinting.

These stats are of course fictitious I am knackered even thinking about it to be honest.

 

[Buzzer]

But on this particular matter I'll wait for the correct figures, as opposed to a 'Bloomberg survey' whatever this is.

Whatever a Bloomberg survey is? It's THE company for financial and economic data.

 

[wellquickwoody]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/11/labour-soar-past-tories-seven-point-lead-icm-poll

After a shambolic month where Cameron was humiliated in a EU vote, had the chair of the party resign and seen Boris position himself for the impending election defeat his lead slips further. Not even the demotion of Gove will save him.

Counting chickens can be very costly, and ultimately very sad too. I should know, I used to be a Kinnock supporter.

 

[Buzzer]

And as I pointed out to you I do not get to worked up about single quarters.

Liar, liar, pants are on fire. This whole thread is you crowing about 1 single opinion poll. The previous ICM/Guardian poll in May showed the Tories with a 2% lead over Labour!

 

[wellquickwoody]

They will be leading the nation one way or another.

Labour have 3 BIG problems,

1. The economy is on the up.

2. Ed Milliband

3. The Tories will not let the electorate forget 'The money is all gone' note.

 

[Buzzer]

Yesterday I ran 100 metres in 19.6 seconds. This was over a second faster than my previous personal best. Usain Bolt, has performed nowhere near his best in the last quarter. I therefore claim to have outperformed Usain Bolt at 100m sprinting.

These stats are of course fictitious I am knackered even thinking about it to be honest.

Does that analogy really work? Germany's the biggest economy in Europe (5th in the world), Spain the 5th largest (14th in the world). No offence but I sincerely doubt your 19.6 seconds will get you near the world's top 20 anytime soon.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

So Bloomberg are wrong then? It's just a blip...somehow the British economy won't be expanding and the German economy won't be retracting any day now?

I do not know if Bloomberg are right or wrong but when they open their article with the word probably in the first line it is fair to say they do not know either.

And I think it will turn out to be a blip. But we will only know over time when we will be able to see the underlying trend.

 

[Buzzer]

But we will only know over time when we will be able to see the underlying trend.

Whereas when it comes to UK elections you're happy to put your faith in 1 single poll showing a spike in Labour support. There's consistency.

 

[User removed 4]

but that isnt true is it, in 1997 the government inherited the golden goose that laid the egg...... the economy was in good condition. People were fed up with Tory sleaze and Bliar was cool, modern and a breath of fresh air. fast forward 11 years and its bankruptcy and economy in tatters that the current incumbents inherited.

This country is not naturally on the left or right extremes its centrist..... Blair understood that and comrade millibland doesnt. Cameron for all his failings does get that and has dragged his party kicking and screaming towards the middle.

After all is said and done the most important central policy of any government is economic management as everything else starts from here. Labour just can't do it, they cant rein in their impulse to simply lob money at things, most of it borrowed, I am not doubting their idealism..... but the reality is our country doesn't earn enough to pay for their giveaways, look at the fiasco in how much different dept of the NHS were paying for the same things...... write an invoice for any amount and the goverment pays, feckless mismanagement.

if you think raising taxes is the answer you know little about economics, low tax regimes will bring in more to a government, increase growth than high tax regimes which are moral fairness arguments and are actually counter productive to the economy... international business always moves towards the low tax regimes.

Socialism, the teenagers ideal of utopian society of equals, its economically unachievable and cannot be funded for with debt today and massive interest for your children tomorrow.... compassionate policies yes, fiscal responsibility is the key to everything. Labour has none

about covers it.

 

[wellquickwoody]

And Ed has said he will look into energy bills.

Oh goody, that has changed my mind then!

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Liar, liar, pants are on fire. This whole thread is you crowing about 1 single opinion poll. The previous ICM/Guardian poll in May showed the Tories with a 2% lead over Labour!

I've been crowing about the Labour party since I was 19. And I have posted many similar threads. My crowing is based on much more than a single poll. And on the matter of this thread I did point out it in my opening post it was taken at the end of a terrible month for Cameron. Not only should polls be used with appropriate caution but also framed in context...which is what I did.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Whereas when it comes to UK elections you're happy to put your faith in 1 single poll showing a spike in Labour support. There's consistency.

See above.

 

[Superphil]

Conservatives - hardly inspiring, full of Etonians who seem quite out-of-touch

Is it about 20 out of 305 MPs? Doesn't seem that "full" to me
Then again, the ones in the cabinet seem frequently out of touch and incapable of relating to the general public.
Whatever happens in 2015, I think the only winners will be those at the top, regardless of whether it's red or blue. No government is going to have the balls to stop the bankers and mega rich avoiding/evading tax, no government is going to deal with the issues brought up by protests of recent years, no government is going to change in any way, shape, or form, to make a real difference.
All in my opinion of course.

 

[Buzzer]

Not only should polls be used with appropriate caution but also framed in context...which is what I did.

Ah yes, you cautiously mentioned "the impending election defeat" and of Cameron: "not even the demotion of Gove will save him". All caveated inside a thread title that certainly isn't triumphalist "not long to go now" - just to add context, of course.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

Labour have 3 BIG problems,

1. The economy is on the up.

2. Ed Milliband

3. The Tories will not let the electorate forget 'The money is all gone' note.

Labour's response ought to be:

1. 'The economy's on the up, but it's only a minority feeling the benefits.'

2. Rebrand Ed as 'Eddie Miliband'. Sounds much more matey and friendly.

3. 'The money was all gone because we listened to the Tories on not taxing the super-rich until the pips squeak. We won't be making that mistake again.'


Sadly, Labour are too gutless to say any of this.

 

[seagulls4ever]

The best website to get an objective view of voting intention is http://ukpollingreport.co.uk, which has had Labour in the lead for absolutely ages. The site combines opinions polls from a number of different sources. Current projections indicate a Labour majority. That said, Labour's lead has fallen significantly and I suspect we are heading for another hung Parliament. As previously stated, Labour have the wrong Miliband in charge.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Ah yes, you cautiously mentioned "the impending election defeat" and of Cameron: "not even the demotion of Gove will save him". All caveated inside a thread title that certainly isn't triumphalist "not long to go now" - just to add context, of course.

Very selective editing.

 

[Vegas Seagull]

The best website to get an objective view of voting intention is http://ukpollingreport.co.uk, which has had Labour in the lead for absolutely ages. The site combines opinions polls from a number of different sources. Current projections indicate a Labour majority. That said, Labour's lead has fallen significantly and I suspect we are heading for another hung Parliament. As previously stated, Labour have the wrong Miliband in charge.

Only the last one does