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Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
62,693
The Fatherland


larus

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Why would I and the millions of decent citizens of this country be pissed about a Labour Government on May 8th ?

Why would millions of decent citizens of this country be pissed about a Tory Government on May 8th ?

The problem with political debate with some people is that they buy the lies from the party they have allegiance too, so much so that they can't have a sensible debate. It's all snearing and snide comments, and they can never accept that the other 'side' may have done some good.

I avoid most of the political debate on here now, as too many are so blinkered in their views and statements, so there is no point. This applies to both sides.

The reality is that most politicians are liars/half-truths, and that they are in it for personal benefit and they don't see that they should be serving the country. The stupid voters are the ones who really think that there is any MAJOR change seen by either party. MP's should be holding the government to account and ensuring that the country is being run for the benefit of everyone. The government MP's should challenge their own government policy, and the opposition should not oppose just because they're the opposition.
 


Bozza

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Jul 4, 2003
57,289
Back in Sussex
Current odds:

Most seats

Tory 1/2
Labour 7/4

Next Prime Minister

David Cameron 8/13
Ed Miliband 6/5

Majority


No Overall Majority 1/6
Conservative 5/1
Labour 16/1
 




Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
62,693
The Fatherland
Current odds:


Next Prime Minister

David Cameron 8/13
Ed Miliband 6/5



This is a license to print money. A Labour PM and my mortgage paid off. 2015 is going to be some year. I might put a few extra quid on and have a nice holiday as well.
 




Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
53,148
Goldstone
From Lord Mandelson
Labour sent out ‘search parties’ for immigrants to get them to come to the UK, Lord Mandelson has admitted.

In a stunning confirmation that the Blair and Brown governments deliberately engineered mass immigration, the former Cabinet Minister and spin doctor said New Labour sought out foreign workers.

He also conceded that the influx of arrivals meant the party’s traditional supporters are now unable to find work.

By contrast, Labour leader Ed Miliband has said his party got it wrong on immigration but has refused to admit it was too high under Labour.

Between 1997 and 2010, net migration to Britain totalled more than 2.2million, more than twice the population of Birmingham.

The annual net figure quadrupled under Labour from 48,000 people in 1997 to 198,000 by 2009.

The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity", according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.

He said Labour's relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration" but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its "core working class vote".

As a result, the public argument for immigration concentrated instead on the economic benefits and need for more migrants.

Critics said the revelations showed a "conspiracy" within Government to impose mass immigration for "cynical" political reasons.

Mr Neather was a speech writer who worked in Downing Street for Tony Blair and in the Home Office for Jack Straw and David Blunkett, in the early 2000s.


Labour MPs have been secretly ordered not to campaign on immigration because doing so could cost them the next election, the Telegraph can reveal.

A private strategy document circulated by Labour HQ and seen by this newspaper warns that the bigger immigration becomes as a campaign issue the more votes the party will lose.

MPs are told to focus on “moving the conversation on” if voters express concerns about border controls to topics Labour is stronger on such as healthcare or housing.

They are also urged not to send leaflets on immigration to all voters because it could be “unhelpful” and “risks undermining the broad coalition of support we need to return to government”.
Are these facts or made up? If facts, can you provide a source?
 






Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
31,264
Day 1 - Parliament has been dissolved, the gloves are off and the right-wing press has wasted no time in trashing Labour on immigration. Only 38 more days to go of this.
 








Herr Tubthumper

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Kuipers Supporters Club

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Feb 10, 2009
5,770
GOSBTS
'Tough' Miliband? Surely not.

I know. Won't help his cause at all with the increase of anti-Labour rhetoric.

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Dave the OAP

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Jul 5, 2003
46,761
at home
I thought the speech made by Nicola sturgeon over the weekend was an interesting one.

Seemly the SNP will be good for everyone in the UK and she promised to reach out(eugh) to every uk voter. If labour gets in off the coat tails of sturgeon, I wonder if the first vote that they agree to support milliband, the cost of that support is another referendum on Scottish independance until the scottish people get it right as the snp see it!

I don't understand why when they failed to get the one thing that they campaign on, independance, will the Scottish people vote so many snp MPs.

Also since when did nationalism, which in my day was always linked with right wing facism , suddenly become a left wing thing? I thought international socialism was all about being one nation together, not individual countries wanting independance.
 


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