General Election 2015

[Herr Tubthumper]

Exactly.

Someone else seems to be unaware they have been participating in UK governance since the 60s.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I have some news for you, the SNP have been participating in the UK's governance since 1967. They were voting on bills then, and they be voting on bills come May.

I should have said 'government'.

More news for you, the whole of the UK can exercise their democratic right in May on the question of UK membership of the EU. A cross next to UKIP will do the trick.

You very well know that what you say is disingenuous. To suppose that a vote for a party that many find despicable equates with a free vote in a referendum is frankly laughable.

Someone else seems to be unaware they have been participating in UK governance since the 60s.

Picky picky picky!

 

[Soulman]

More news for you, the whole of the UK can exercise their democratic right in May on the question of UK membership of the EU. A cross next to UKIP will do the trick.

EU RED tape costs Britain £33billion a year, a report claimed yesterday.
According to the report, the costliest EU-derived regulations include the UK Renewable Energy Strategy which costs £4.7billion a year, and the £3.4billion-a-year EU *Climate and Energy Package.
The Temporary Agency Workers Directive costs £2.1billion a year.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...aste-33billion-each-year-Brussels-EU-red-tape

Foreign Aid Sucks Europe, and Europe sucks England dry of £11.5bn every year.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

EU RED tape costs Britain £33billion a year, a report claimed yesterday.
According to the report, the costliest EU-derived regulations include the UK Renewable Energy Strategy which costs £4.7billion a year, and the £3.4billion-a-year EU *Climate and Energy Package.
The Temporary Agency Workers Directive costs £2.1billion a year.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...aste-33billion-each-year-Brussels-EU-red-tape

Foreign Aid Sucks Europe, and Europe sucks England dry of £11.5bn every year.

But what's the total net? Pointing out that some regulations cost the UK is utterly pointless if the remaining 75% yield a huge benefit? It makes you wonder why the article selectively chose just a quarter? In fact it doesn't, I can guess.

The industry I work in benefits the UK hugely from EU regulation and harmonisation.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I should have said 'government'.

You very well know that what you say is disingenuous. To suppose that a vote for a party that many find despicable equates with a free vote in a referendum is frankly laughable.

Picky picky picky!

1) The SNP will not be in government; the SNP and Labour have said so and I feel that the likely outcome is "confidence and supply" which is in effect what happens now..... so nothing will change.
2) I didn't say or mean a free vote. But, there is one party offering a clear exit from the EU so if the nation has this as it's number one priority the answer is simple.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Pro economic union, anti political union.

Smoke that dudes

 

[Soulman]

But what's the total net? Pointing out that some regulations cost the UK is utterly pointless if the remaining 75% yield a huge benefit?

The industry I work in benefits the UK hugely from EU regulation and harmonisation.

Well we import more than we export. I suspect seeing as you live in Germany, they benefit pretty well as well.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Well we import more than we export. I suspect seeing as you live in Germany, they benefit pretty well as well.

Why don't you come back with the full picture instead of this self-fulfilling selective nonsense?

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

That must be what has triggered a MASSIVE change in the next PM odds this morning. Oh.

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Gaining the most number of seats in a General Election does not guarantee the party leader becoming the PM and being in Government. See the 1924 result.

 

[Soulman]

Why don't you come back with the full picture instead of this self-fulfilling selective nonsense?

My opinion, and do you deny we import more from the EU countries than we export.
Here you go,
In January 2015 the value of exports decreased to £10.9bn, while imports also decreased to £16.9bn, compared with last month. Consequently the UK is a net importer this month, with imports exceeding exports by £6.0 billion.
https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/EUOverseasTrade/Pages/EuOTS.aspx

November 2014
Comparison (Oct 2014)
Exports: £1.1bn

Imports: £3.1bn

-1.7%

+5.1%
Exports: £1.3bn

Imports: £2.0bn

+4.8%

-6.4%
Exports: £0.8bn

Imports: £1.6bn

-8.3%

-7.5%
Exports: £1.1bn

Imports: £0.7bn

-39.3%

-22.3%
Exports: £0.9bn

Imports: £1.1bn

-11.7%

-13.3%

Keep spinning, your opinions, sadly some disagree.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

1) The SNP will not be in government; the SNP and Labour have said so and I feel that the likely outcome is "confidence and supply" which is in effect what happens now..... so nothing will change.
2) I didn't say or mean a free vote. But, there is one party offering a clear exit from the EU so if the nation has this as it's number one priority the answer is simple.

On point one, I agree. I was merely discussing the premise which had been raised a couple of posts earlier.

On point two, you answered my point about the lack of choice the British people have had regarding the development of, and our continued involvement in the EU, with the possibility of voting for UKIP in the general election. However your comparison is not a fair one as you know very well that a proportion of those who don't wish for further integration will still not under any circumstance vote for UKIP. A vote on an issue of that magnitude needs to be held untainted by party politics. Therefore, I would consider that you are being selective with the truth.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

My opinion, and do you deny we import more from the EU countries than we export.
Here you go,
In January 2015 the value of exports decreased to £10.9bn, while imports also decreased to £16.9bn, compared with last month. Consequently the UK is a net importer this month, with imports exceeding exports by £6.0 billion.

Keep spinning, your opinions, sadly some disagree.

What point are you trying to make from just concentrating on the raw import export figures?

I'll ask you again, give me the full picture. There is a hell of a lot more than just these raw figures. This link might help http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3db869a4-b81d-11e3-92f9-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3UgUorb7f

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

On point one, I agree. I was merely discussing the premise which had been raised a couple of posts earlier.

On point two, you answered my point about the lack of choice the British people have had regarding the development of, and our continued involvement in the EU, with the possibility of voting for UKIP in the general election. However your comparison is not a fair one as you know very well that a proportion of those who don't wish for further integration will still not under any circumstance vote for UKIP. A vote on an issue of that magnitude needs to be held untainted by party politics. Therefore, I would consider that you are being selective with the truth.

I disagree. I prefer we vote for parties and let them govern. Referendums are a cop-out for weak leaders. And if referendums are a good idea why not just dispense with political parties and employ an administrative body to host votes for everything?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I need some shut eye. Good night and sweet dreams everyone.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I disagree. I prefer we vote for parties and let them govern. Referendums are a cop-out for weak leaders. And if referendums are a good idea why not just dispense with political parties and employ an administrative body to host votes for everything?

The problem occurs when, as in this instance, an issue is truly apolitical and no party consensus is able to be achieved. This issue has split both Tories and labour in the past and actually did more harm than good. A referendum would put it to rest.

That is, unless one does what France and Denmark did in the past and then just repeat the whole affair as they didn't like the result.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

The problem occurs when, as in this instance, an issue is truly apolitical and no party consensus is able to be achieved. This issue has split both Tories and labour in the past and actually did more harm than good. A referendum would put it to rest.

That is, unless one does what France and Denmark did in the past and then just repeat the whole affair as they didn't like the result.

Fair and valid points.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 17th March - Con 34%, Lab 36%, LD 7%, UKIP 12%, GRN 6%; APP -20

 

[Machiavelli]

The problem occurs when, as in this instance, an issue is truly apolitical and no party consensus is able to be achieved. This issue has split both Tories and labour in the past and actually did more harm than good. A referendum would put it to rest.

That is, unless one does what France and Denmark did in the past and then just repeat the whole affair as they didn't like the result.

You're a follower of fashion, in that you've bought in to the anti-politics vibe. If an issue is important, then it's political -- that's what politics is about: deciding what are the key issues in our lives, and how to respond to them. Aristotle said that what defines humans is that they do politics, unlike the gods or the beasts.

 

[Machiavelli]

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 17th March - Con 34%, Lab 36%, LD 7%, UKIP 12%, GRN 6%; APP -20

May I congratulate you for getting in swifter than [MENTION=36]Titanic[/MENTION] on that one

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

You're a follower of fashion, in that you've bought in to the anti-politics vibe. If an issue is important, then it's political -- that's what politics is about: deciding what are the key issues in our lives, and how to respond to them. Aristotle said that what defines humans is that they do politics, unlike the gods or the beasts.

Okay then. I'm obviously terminologically challenged as in 'apolitical' I meant non-party. There, are you happy now!

Love the Aristotle BTW!