Gay Pride

[Lady Whistledown]

Why would it make me lonely?

Do you think I could realistically try to hold a straight white male pride march? I think it would be frowned upon.

We should really stop grouping people, being gay or straight, black or white, male or females should make no difference to us at all.

People who perpetuate a group mentality with "pride" are just as guilty of perpetuating prejudice as anyone else.

Their obsession with sexual, racial or gender groups is inherently prejudice.

Ping! Congratulations, you're the first poster of 2012 to raise the old "why can't I have a straight Pride" argument, well done you!

To save you having to go through it all, it's probably just quicker if you search for the 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005 and 2004 threads of that ilk.

Have a great evening, and, once again, well done

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Some of you should seriously open your mind to what really goes on behind the scenes at this event.

Not to mention in the bushes

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Don't mind pride at all, but when the dust settles and you're finding used condoms and syringes in preston park playground sand pits, then it tends to put a new perspective on things. Im pretty tolerant of this but seriously guys, you should see some of the shite we have to deal with after every one has gone home.

It's billed as a family event yet some of the stalls have vibrators, anal lubrication and god knows what....in full view of all...including kids.

Some of you should seriously open your mind to what really goes on behind the scenes at this event.

Are you working that day? I am :-(

 

[Twinkle Toes]

Do you not see the ever so slight disdain you are showing for my march. It's is subtle, but it is there isn't it.

My march suggestion was obviously not serious, it was to invite people to think.

Your post actually proves my point.

The fact is, prejudice, including homophobia, will endure, until we stop thinking of people in terms of "groups" that they "belong to", and start seeing people as individuals.

Well I've seen the same march suggestion on here a number of times before, so forgive me for not thinking it was another example of such (with the mandatory thinly veiled extremist agenda).

As it happens I think you're absolutely right that there are many that see 'groups' as being part & parcel of a separatist agenda & thus a means of subsequently reinforcing both prejudice & stereotyping, but I don't happen to be in that (ahem) camp. I see people as both individuals and fellow human beings first & foremost, but I also don't generally see any gatherings of people who share something particular in common as being a threat to me or necessarily exclusive. You only have to look at this forum to realise that we can all share in a football-led communion which is unique to us & this particular football club club. Yes we're all individuals, but we're still fulfilling a similar human need that has been there since time immemorial. Surely the two aren't mutually exclusive?

 

[jevs]

Are you working that day? I am :-(

Not a chance mate. Must be your last day paul ?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Not a chance mate. Must be your last day paul ?

I think it is! Out with a bang.

The previous year, I spent all day taking photos and stopping people from pissing on the pavilion (separately, of course!)

 

[Westdene Wonder]

Even before the Pride days if you worked outside Brighton you were suspected to be homosexuel,after the Pride you had to make it clear you were not,result was when asked where i lived my reply was between Worthing and Eastbourne,it would be better if the Pride was held at a different location each year.

 

[Frutos]

,it would be better if the Pride was held at a different location each year.

Better in what sense?

 

[Steve Foster]

I'm going to Reykjavik next week, can't wait. All travel tips & recommendations gratefully received.

Wow where do I start?

The airport is 15 miles or so from Reykjavik. With no trains, you will need to catch an express bus cost of £23 return or taxi or drive. Reykjavik is a small place, think half way between Worthing & Brighton in population, but pretty well spaced out. We stayed in Downtown. The locals go out late & come home at breakfast & it is loud & buzzing.

Went whale watching, blue lagoon, geyser & gull floss waterfall - all highly recommended & in my case the marathon. Not cheap, but food, drink & shopping about 10-30% more than home. Weather was okay too.mid teens typically.

Any other questions just ask!

 

[dingodan]

Ping! Congratulations, you're the first poster of 2012 to raise the old "why can't I have a straight Pride" argument, well done you!

To save you having to go through it all, it's probably just quicker if you search for the 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005 and 2004 threads of that ilk.

Have a great evening, and, once again, well done

Yes, but if you are discerning, I don't want to hold a straight pride march. I just want people to consider how such a thing would sound, and how they would feel about it.

They might then ask themselves whether the two concepts, gay pride and straight pride, should be viewed so differently, and why.

They might then consider that elevating or celebrating any "group" is in itself the sustenance of prejudice.

If you are not discerning, you might just settle for the conclusion I am a homophobic bigot, fine, whatever.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Can we have an Off Topic forum/Thread Please. I'm so sick of all these threads that have nothing to do with Albion.

I came on here yesterday hoping to discuss the Club, but to find 80% of the threads not even talking about football..

I've visited many other clubs forums over the months, and they all seem to keep the off topic crap away from there beloved Club talk/news.

It's bugging me that I come on here to talk about My beloved Albion, Only to find some twt moaning about Parking fees. Or what the council are doing about roadworks where they live. Or some other crap unrelated.

Sorry. But has this forum Always been this way ?. Are Brighton FC so frigging boring that will feel the need to talk about what were having for dinner tonight !!

OK rant over.. LOL

It's hardly difficult to work out the difference between Albion threads and non-Albion threads.

PS - we're not known as Brighton FC !!!!!!

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Do people really have a complex thinking people will automatically assume one is gay? Apart from it not being the end of the world(!), does that really matter?

If it is a concern if a targeted lady might think that, there are ways of persuading her otherwise (hopefully).

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Even before the Pride days if you worked outside Brighton you were suspected to be homosexuel

Really?

If true (and it's not my experience), it PROVES that there's a need for an event like Pride to combat prejudice.

 

[dingodan]

Well I've seen the same march suggestion on here a number of times before, so forgive me for not thinking it was another example of such (with the mandatory thinly veiled extremist agenda).

As it happens I think you're absolutely right that there are many that see 'groups' as being part & parcel of a separatist agenda & thus a means of subsequently reinforcing both prejudice & stereotyping, but I don't happen to be in that (ahem) camp. I see people as both individuals and fellow human beings first & foremost, but I also don't generally see any gatherings of people who share something particular in common as being a threat to me or necessarily exclusive. You only have to look at this forum to realise that we can all share in a football-led communion which is unique to us & this particular football club club. Yes we're all individuals, but we're still fulfilling a similar human need that has been there since time immemorial. Surely the two aren't mutually exclusive?

A straight march would be extremism? Criticism of a gay march is extremism? - These sentiments are extremist.

And grouping people in terms of their football team is not exactly the same as grouping people in terms which they have no control over, their sexuality, their gender or their race.

But even in this forum, you can see a celebration of that which enjoins us. And within that, whether we like it or not, we can also see a fermenting resentment for those who do not. Some people are "the scum" others are not "really" like "us" because they are "JCLs" etc.

But, in footballing, none of us are enjoined without choice.

When it comes to your sexuality, race or gender, you have no choice. While we continue to group people, you are grouped whether you like it or not.

I have no doubt that Gay Pride will be an enjoyable event for all who take part. But it also perpetuates a group mentality, and in so doing, it perpetuates prejudice.

Don't think for a second that I do not like or respect homosexual people, I want to see equality for all, I want to see people considered individuals and not members of groups, whatever their sexuality, gender or race. This event will do nothing to further that ideal.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Really?

If true (and it's not my experience), it PROVES that there's a need for an event like Pride to combat prejudice.

Indeed. All the time a person has to think twice before doing something as normal as kissing their other half in public or holding their hand, for fear of being targeted, things are not equal. Doubters seem to think Pride is all about flamboyant outfits and drag queens- it really isn't, despite those things being a prominent feature of the festival.

I can't believe there are that many guys on here who actually give a shit that some bunch of football fans they've never met call them gay. Seriously, I thought most people left those kind of hangups behind in the school playground. Who gives a toss?

 

[fataddick]

Well whenever im introduced to people at work i say 'im from brighton' I then see their face and follow up with "im not gay tho" as i can see they are thinking it. I then slap them on the arse and give them a cheeky wink and say "or am I". Always gets a laugh.

I don't think you're going to last long in the SAS, but there's a job waiting for you at the Vatican...

 

[Garage_Doors]

Really?

If true (and it's not my experience), it PROVES that there's a need for an event like Pride to combat prejudice.

whilst agreed its a great day out for 1000's of people, hows does the event combat prejudice?
I don't see how any event can do that.
When people not attending hear that pride is being held in Brighton, or anywhere for that matter, how does it make then think about the prejudices? it don't its just an organised fun day out.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

whilst agreed its a great day out for 1000's of people, hows does the event combat prejudice?
I don't see how any event can do that.
When people not attending hear that pride is being held in Brighton, or anywhere for that matter, how does it make then think about the prejudices? it don't its just an organised fun day out.

Well. Thirty years ago, it wasn't uncommon for people to get beaten up or attacked if they showed any outward sign of being gay, or at the very least subjected to verbal abuse or discrimination. I'm guessing that at least part of the reason for Pride festivals was for the community to say "hey, we're here, there's plenty of us, so deal with it".

In the main, that doesn't happen now, at least not in the UK, and particularly not in Brighton of all cities, but that has to be something to do with the increased visibility of people within the gay community. The fact that people, many years ago, were prepared to stand up in the face of considerable hostility and march or whatever, must have something to do with that change in attitudes. But all the time that an individual has to think seriously about (for example) coming out to work colleagues, or booking a double hotel room with their lifelong partner, it suggests there are still enough people around who do have issues with it, and therefore Pride is still relevant.

In short, I suspect that if there had never been any Pride marches, gay people would still be in the place they were years ago.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

whilst agreed its a great day out for 1000's of people, hows does the event combat prejudice?
I don't see how any event can do that.
When people not attending hear that pride is being held in Brighton, or anywhere for that matter, how does it make then think about the prejudices? it don't its just an organised fun day out.

I didn't say that Pride actually succeeds in combatting prejudice. I said that the existence of the prejudice that Westdene Wonder reported ("you're from Brighton, I suspect you might be gay") points to the need to combat prejudice. As I said, though, that's not an opinion I've ever experienced, other than as a piece of jokey banter.

I was born in Yorkshire. Does anyone REALLY think I must keep whippets?

 

[Gullys Cats]

:safeway:I can tell you one thing, it is fun to stay at the YMCA :safeway::safeway: