Gay Marriage - The Vote

[terryberry1]

I voted no [MENTION=307]Biscuit[/MENTION]. To me marriage is something than a man and a woman do. I guess must be really intolerant, but when I see two blokes kissing I don't think 'ohhh how sweet' but 'yeuch, that is horrible'. If that is offensive to any gays or straights reading this then I'm truly sorry, but its the way I am I'm afraid. Sorry lads.

This.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Where'd you get a picture of my wife from!?

What a stunner

 

[Sussax]

This.

This x2.

 

[shaolinpunk]

I find it odd that people in this day and age find gay marriage such a problem.

 

[Dave the OAP]

This completely. I just can't understand why people argue this from a religious perspective. If your church/whatever decides that they don't want to allow gay marriages, then nothing has changed, at all. It makes absolutely no difference to your religion, or to you.

forgive me, but that is not what some commentators think. There was an interview witha legal chap from teh Roman Catholic Diocese of westminster on radio 4 this morning and he was suggesting that if they passed this law, it would open up an avenue for say one couple to be refused to be wed in a particular church, to take that church ( or the PCC in this case) to the discrimination courts and that would open a whole can of worms.

What he was suggesting that for the law to work, it has to be a referendum type question. Should gay couples be allowed to "marry" in a religious establishment as well as a civil establishment.? Yes or No.

That would make the question totally unambiguous.

Peter Tatchell was also on and he basically prempted this by saying any church refusing to marry gay couples would be persued through the courts if found to be discriminatory.

 

[Frutos]

It would be interesting to see people's views if "gay" was swapped for something else in this question. For example:

- Should two black people be allowed to marry each other?
- Should two short people be allowed to marry each other?
- Should two ginger people be allowed to marry each other?
- Should two people with green eyes be allowed to marry each other?

In all of those cases, the obvious and logical answer is "yes of course they should, why do you even need to ask?". So why, here in the 21st Century, should it be different for gay people?

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

forgive me, but that is not what some commentators think. There was an interview witha legal chap from teh Roman Catholic Diocese of westminster on radio 4 this morning and he was suggesting that if they passed this law, it would open up an avenue for say one couple to be refused to be wed in a particular church, to take that church ( or the PCC in this case) to the discrimination courts and that would open a whole can of worms.

What he was suggesting that for the law to work, it has to be a referendum type question. Should gay couples be allowed to "marry" in a religious establishment as well as a civil establishment.? Yes or No.

That would make the question totally unambiguous.

Peter Tatchell was also on and he basically prempted this by saying any church refusing to marry gay couples would be persued through the courts if found to be discriminatory.

Are churches currently outside the laws of the land

 

[kevtherev]

I voted no [MENTION=307]Biscuit[/MENTION]. To me marriage is something than a man and a woman do. I guess must be really intolerant, but when I see two blokes kissing I don't think 'ohhh how sweet' but 'yeuch, that is horrible'. If that is offensive to any gays or straights reading this then I'm truly sorry, but its the way I am I'm afraid. Sorry lads.

Yep, I will go along with that. Although I don't see why people have to explain themselves. Seems like a bit of a witch hunt to me. If we had a poll on lets say, the death penalty for example, would those who voted for it, be wrong or right in [MENTION=307]Biscuit[/MENTION] opinion. Or would it just be the individuals point of view. As everyone is entitled too..For the record I'd bring it back for certain crimes, save the country a fortune, rather than keeping scum alive in prision

 

[Biscuit]

Yep, I will go along with that. Although I don't see why people have to explain themselves. Seems like a bit of a witch hunt to me. If we had a poll on lets say, the death penalty for example, would those who voted for it, be wrong or right in [MENTION=307]Biscuit[/MENTION] opinion. Or would it just be the individuals point of view. As everyone is entitled too..For the record I'd bring it back for certain crimes, save the country a fortune, rather than keeping scum alive in prision

At the risk of repeating myself.. you absolutely do not have to explain yourself, and I would have no right to demand it. However, if you wanted to explain the reasoning I'd be very interested to hear.

 

[Hamilton]

I never said i wanted a vote on every issue & as for becoming an MP, I would not want to force my views on anyone else as apposed to some minority groups.

OK, so how do you propose for society to organise itself around major issues? I mean, we can't all have a vote on all the issues that we all think are of national importance can we?

 

[Dave the OAP]

Are churches currently outside the laws of the land

I thought where it comes to certain things like this gay marriage issue, they actually had an opt out of the discrimination laws. If I am wrong I cant see what the problem is....go up to the vicar say " will you marry me and bob here" if he says "no" then off to the courts!

 

[Albumen]

To those that for some reason think 'euurrgh' (as you say) when you see a gay couple kissing (presumably you think the same when you see to women kissing), don't you think it's best for future generations to NOT think like that? Therefore voting yes?

 

[kevtherev]

At the risk of repeating myself.. you absolutely do not have to explain yourself, and I would have no right to demand it. However, if you wanted to explain the reasoning I'd be very interested to hear.

Because I believe marriage, is an institution between a man and a woman. As in having children together etc etc. Call me old fashioned if you like, I probably am. In fact I know I am. I've got nothing against gay people, live and let live. I just believe marriage in it's true sense is between male and female.

 

[pork pie]

It would be interesting to see people's views if "gay" was swapped for something else in this question. For example:

- Should two black people be allowed to marry each other?
- Should two short people be allowed to marry each other?
- Should two ginger people be allowed to marry each other?
- Should two people with green eyes be allowed to marry each other?

In all of those cases, the obvious and logical answer is "yes of course they should, why do you even need to ask?". So why, here in the 21st Century, should it be different for gay people?

What a f***ing stupid question!

Given the assumption that one is male and the other female, there is no issue with any of those examples.

Do you not grasp the simple concept that there are two different sexes? If people have not been made with normal thoughts about the opposite sex, I pitty them. But, at the end of the day, they should be stopped from trying to convince others that they are "normal". It is against nature, as simple as that.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

I thought where it comes to certain things like this gay marriage issue, they actually had an opt out of the discrimination laws. If I am wrong I cant see what the problem is....go up to the vicar say " will you marry me and bob here" if he says "no" then off to the courts!

But could they not decline that now with say Bob and Sue, would Bob and Sue not just go to another church and not go to the courts.

I am not up on the detail here but its like the Church can get parliament to get a clause put in that exempts it from what could be a law of the land. Not many institutions could manage that.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Yep, I will go along with that. Although I don't see why people have to explain themselves. Seems like a bit of a witch hunt to me. If we had a poll on lets say, the death penalty for example, would those who voted for it, be wrong or right in [MENTION=307]Biscuit[/MENTION] opinion. Or would it just be the individuals point of view. As everyone is entitled too..For the record I'd bring it back for certain crimes, save the country a fortune, rather than keeping scum alive in prision

This x2.

This.

I voted no [MENTION=307]Biscuit[/MENTION]. To me marriage is something than a man and a woman do. I guess must be really intolerant, but when I see two blokes kissing I don't think 'ohhh how sweet' but 'yeuch, that is horrible'. If that is offensive to any gays or straights reading this then I'm truly sorry, but its the way I am I'm afraid. Sorry lads.

What about 2 ladies then eh, eh, eh?

2 lovely ladies kissing you think 'yeuch, that is horrible'!!?

 

[Napper]

It would be interesting to see people's views if "gay" was swapped for something else in this question. For example:

- Should two black people be allowed to marry each other?
- Should two short people be allowed to marry each other?
- Should two ginger people be allowed to marry each other?
- Should two people with green eyes be allowed to marry each other?

In all of those cases, the obvious and logical answer is "yes of course they should, why do you even need to ask?". So why, here in the 21st Century, should it be different for gay people?

Would be about 98% yes in each answer but not about sexuality is it.

Currently 29% say No excluding the 9 who didnt say either way.

 

[kevtherev]

OK, so how do you propose for society to organise itself around major issues? I mean, we can't all have a vote on all the issues that we all think are of national importance can we?

I don't see how if two geezers can get hitched or not, is of national importance. Importance to the individual, no doubt.

 

[Mackenzie]

What about 2 ladies then eh, eh, eh?

2 lovely ladies kissing you think 'yeuch, that is horrible'!!?

I don't seem to mind that as much, I guess that makes me a hypocrite as well as a bigot.

I can live with that.

 

[pork pie]

To those that for some reason think 'euurrgh' (as you say) when you see a gay couple kissing (presumably you think the same when you see to women kissing), don't you think it's best for future generations to NOT think like that? Therefore voting yes?

You do realise that, ultimately, if everyone carried on like that there would be no future generations? This whole thing about trying to make gays appear to be "normal" is just getting out of hand. We should have kept the laws in place that banned them.