'Gas guzzlers' face parking hike

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The Large One

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The cost of residents' parking permits could be linked to car emissions under plans being considered in one of the country's most affluent areas. A Lib Dem council in London wants owners of gas-guzzling vehicles to pay more to park outside their homes.

Richmond upon Thames residents with two high-emission cars could pay £750 a year, compared with £200 now, but the greenest cars would be exempt. The council hopes other authorities will be encouraged to follow its lead.

Richmond's plan follows national and local schemes targeting emissions and congestion and comes after the Lib Dem conference approved proposals to use new taxes on gas-guzzling cars and airlines to pay for income tax cuts. If the plans are approved by the council's cabinet on November 6, the cost of parking the most polluting vehicles in the parts of the borough subject to controlled zones would rise from £100 to £300.

Those with more than one car would have to pay 50% more for extra permits. There would be a sliding scale of charges for parking permits based on the government's car tax bands.

Band A, which would be free, would consist of electric cars. Cars in Band B, which include the Toyota Prius hybrid and the Renault Megane dCi 106 diesel, would be subject to a 50% reduction. Owners of vehicles covered by band C, like the Fiat Panda 1.2, would get a 10% discount on the cost of a parking permit.

TARGETING CO2 AND CONGESTION
• London congestion charge introduced in 2003. Now £8 a day. Extension due in 2007
• Road tolls on M6 since 2003. Priced between £1.50 and £7 depending on vehicle and time
• New car tax bands in 2006 budget. Top rate of £210 a year
• Road pricing. Pilot pay-as-you-drive schemes being developed

But a parking permit would rise by 10% under band D, hitting drivers of the Nissan Micra 1.4, by 30% under band E and by 50% under band F - affecting owners of Ford Mondeo saloons and BMW 3 Series E90 diesels respectively. The highest band, G, which includes the BMW X5 4.8 litre, the Jaguar X-type and the Renault Espace people carrier, would incur a 200% increase in the cost of a permit.

"Climate change is the single greatest challenge facing the world today," said council leader Serge Lourie. "We can no longer bury our heads in the sand and pretend that it is not happening, or that dealing with it is up to somebody else. And Richmond upon Thames is one of the highest CO2-emitting boroughs in London. For too long, it has been seen as a problem that only central governments or international organisations could address. The truth is that we must all start acting now at local level."

London mayor Ken Livingstone, who introduced the congestion charge in 2003, called for other councils in the city to adopt similar measures. The Local Government Association's environment board chairman Paul Bettison said: "Local authorities up and down the country will be watching these proposals in Richmond with great interest."

Motoring groups, however, suggested such a scheme would be unlikely to win widespread support as many ordinary motorists would be affected.

Richmond, which is to consult with residents and local businesses, hope to be able to implement the scheme by the new year. The government is looking to trial road charging. Councillor David Trigg, Richmond Council cabinet member for traffic, transport and parking, said he hoped the initiative would be widely copied. "We are the first in the country to implement a change such as this, and we would certainly hope that others do," he told the BBC.

Tony Bosworth, from Friends of the Earth, said the proposal was a "step in the right direction", but urged the government to increase road tax on gas-guzzlers. Mike Rutherford from the Motorists' Association said the measure would impact on families with larger saloon cars as well as those driving smaller petrol hatchbacks. But he acknowledged it might help to encourage people to buy different vehicles in the future. Road charging is the government's radical proposal to cut traffic levels and tolls and congestion charging are being considered in many areas.

Meanwhile, it has emerged that London's congestion charge could rise to £25 in 2010 for drivers of high-emissions vehicle - three times the current cost. The Tory leader David Cameron has also said he would offer incentives for green car use. In the Budget, Chancellor Gordon Brown raised road taxes for the most polluting vehicles, with the worst offenders now attracting a vehicle excise duty of £210. The Commons environmental audit committee has recommended vehicle excise for the most polluting cars should be £1,800, about nine times the existing rate.
 
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It is about time that these cars were forced off the roads. This will hopefully affect sales and force the hand of the designers/developers to produce a greener car. :clap:
 
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Goring Gull

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All that will happen is it will become another one upmanship thing - look i can afford the big parking permit as well.
 




clapham_gull

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Good, Good, Good, Good

Not needed in the harsh terrain of South West London.

AS pointed out above, more sensible vehicles get a massive reduction in parking costs.
 


chip

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Just another tax raising scam isn't? Even a poxy micra will have to pay 10% more while an average family saloon like a BMW or Ford will go up 50%. And all to be able to park your car on the road. This will probably lead to even more people converting their front gardens into car parking spaces.

Far better to tax all short haul flights by another £100 as that will have a much more dramatic and observable impact on the environment.
 


clapham_gull

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chip said:
Just another tax raising scam isn't? Even a poxy micra will have to pay 10% more while an average family saloon like a BMW or Ford will go up 50%. And all to be able to park your car on the road. This will probably lead to even more people converting their front gardens into car parking spaces.

Far better to tax all short haul flights by another £100 as that will have a much more dramatic and observable impact on the environment.

You don't see many front gardens in London. If you have a front garden in London, it will turn into a Gillingham front garden in hours.

Agree with your second point though.
 




Marc

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Its just a tax raising scam as chip says.FACT.

Little areas having these pathetic price hikes wont affect the environment one bit.FACT.

they only use the environment word as it makes them look great.FACT.



its all bollocks really!
 


clapham_gull

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I think you need to live in London to understand why moves like this are generally quite popular.

Ken Livingstone - "I'm going to extend the congestion charge..."

Steven Norris - "I'm going to scrap it.."

Ken won.

For the life of me, I can't recall any of their other policies.
 
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BensGrandad

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Absolute rubbish as said by a chap on the radio today if I want to keep the car I will have to pay the price no problem.

Why is it put down to emmissions etc when you pay the same if you park your car in Richmond and do 10 miles a week or if you do 2,000.
 




Bry Nylon

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Feature on BBC news tonight:

Reporter: why do you need this vehicle?
Woman: I need a big car. I have 3 children.

:dunce: :shootself
 


clapham_gull

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BensGrandad said:
Absolute rubbish as said by a chap on the radio today if I want to keep the car I will have to pay the price no problem.

Why is it put down to emmissions etc when you pay the same if you park your car in Richmond and do 10 miles a week or if you do 2,000.

Well as a chap said it on the radio it must be right !

Seriously, I think it will hopefully encourage the residents to get something less poluting (and dangerous) or god forbid use the more than adequate public transport in the area.

I was working in the area last year for a few months and had no trouble at all getting around.

I been watching the reports on the local tv up here and a lot of residents think its a good thing.

You need to understand that this is London, they don't need a Range Rover !
 


clapham_gull

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Bry Nylon said:
Feature on BBC news tonight:

Reporter: why do you need this vehicle?
Woman: I need a big car. I have 3 children.

:dunce: :shootself

saw that.. Essentially what she meant was I'm loaded I live in Richmond and all my mates have got one.
 






The Large One

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chip said:
Just another tax raising scam isn't? Even a poxy micra will have to pay 10% more while an average family saloon like a BMW or Ford will go up 50%. And all to be able to park your car on the road. This will probably lead to even more people converting their front gardens into car parking spaces.

Far better to tax all short haul flights by another £100 as that will have a much more dramatic and observable impact on the environment.
And what precisely is your problem with doing both?

I did wonder who would be the first person to come out with the terminally short-sighted 'it's another tax hike...'. I must admit you were not in my top 10, but there you go. You call it a tax rise, I call it a choice.

Fact is, there is no justification for these gas guzzlers in London, aside from massaging tender egos, so would need to be listed as a luxury item.
 


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chip

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clapham_gull said:
You need to understand that this is London, they don't need a Range Rover !

There are many things that we don't need but have. Should we apply this principle to other aspects of our lives like the size of our houses, the number of electrical devices, how far we can travel each year, etc.? You could easily make a stronger case in terms of environmental protection for all of those than the car parking tax.

You are probably right about the Range Rover in London, but with the state of the roads in Sheffield I wish I had had my Disco when I lived there :p
 




BensGrandad

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I am not in favour of 'Chelsea tractors' but in fairness as was pointed out on Radio 2 the emissions from cars even those, are nothing in comparison to that of central heating and tumble driers.

Also it was said that if everybody in China bought a washing machine or Fridge, on a world scale, it would make Richmonds problem seem non existant.
 


algie

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Marc said:
Its just a tax raising scam as chip says.FACT.

Little areas having these pathetic price hikes wont affect the environment one bit.FACT.

they only use the environment word as it makes them look great.FACT.



its all bollocks really!

You my friend are spot on.Green taxes are the latetest stealth tax.
 
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