Garcia out

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

Would the same people still want him out , IF we made it up via the playoff's I doubt it very much.

Rather unlikely scenario though, I'd have thought.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

I've not been banned yet. Any tips on a fast-track to a holiday, you old witch?

You're the Gary Lineker of this board.

I don't mean "orange and jug eared".

 

[Triggaaar]

You're the Gary Lineker of this board.

He never even got a yellow, I have had an infraction (not justified I might add)

 

[London Irish]

A more interesting poll would have been is Oscar getting the best out of his squad of players. He might have got over 50 per cent on that but it could be close

 

[AmexRuislip]

I agree totally to what you have said. When Claudio Ranieri came over to the UK to manage Chelsea, he had to overcome the British way of life. Plus with inconsistent results to start off with, he did not have it easy. Give Oscar a chance and judge him at the end of next season. Obviously we are not ready just yet

For me , it has always been about next season .Playoffs or dare I say it ,promotion was always going to be a bonus. Oscar has only been in the country as long as he has been in the job. That is not a long time to climatise to English football , The Championship , players who play in the Championship ...etc
It has been a massive learning curve for him , and one which ultimatley will benefit both he and us. It is no suprise that more than a few of our recent signings have the stamp of approval of NJ. It makes sense that Oscar will not have known to many of the players offered to him.
Next season will be our season . Oscar will know a lot more about our culture . He will be up to date on the storylines in Eastenders , he wil have the sampled the delights of Yorkshire pudding and Harveys ale. More importantly he will have more of a grasp of English football ,the players and the Championship.
Next season , watch us go.

 

[Seagull on the wing]

****ing clueless boring football....over rated by many on here....very poor **** off back to Spain you over rated **** ...

The fact you have a minus 54 rating and the poll so far says 40 out (9.71 %)
321 in (77.91 %)
51,fence (12.38 %)
I think your question has been well and truly answered,unless of course you were just fishing...

 

[OzMike]

I agree totally to what you have said. When Claudio Ranieri came over to the UK to manage Chelsea, he had to overcome the British way of life. Plus with inconsistent results to start off with, he did not have it easy. Give Oscar a chance and judge him at the end of next season. Obviously we are not ready just yet

I liked Ranieri in the end, thought he was a decent bloke.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

****ing clueless boring football....over rated by many on here....very poor **** off back to Spain you over rated **** ...

Shows what a good job Oscar (& Poyet before him) have been doing if it's taken you this long to post an (insert manager's name here) out thread.

Yet another poster who is only happy when things don't appear to be going well because they can come on here and troll.

Hopefully you will crawl under your rock again very soon because there isn't anything happening for you to post this sort of drivel on here any time in the near future.

 

[AgerBomb22]

Forest are 7th they sacked there boss

We aren't run by clueless foreign owners

 

[Seasidesage]

Surprised there are 40 people that stupid on here...


Then again perhaps I'm not.

 

[keaton]

We aren't run by clueless foreign owners

Are you saying Davies was doing a good job?

 

[Grombleton]

We aren't run by clueless foreign owners

No, but if you believe some we are managed by one.

 

[Ernest]

Since my last POLE another 10% have joined the OUT movement and at this RATE it will be 100% OUT soon

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

Did you read what I posted?

"I think more of our shots would go in, if we had Orlandi, Crofts, a fit Ulloa available all season plus a decent replacement for Barnes".

Lets look at where we would expect the goals to come from.....
We have an over reliance on one person; Ulloa, he has been injured for part of the season.
Buckley has been inconsistent (and injured), occasionally wading in with goals.
Kaz. erratic (and injured)
Our biggest goal scoring threat from midfield (Crofts) is injured.
Orlandi, who i think people are expecting to contribute has been injured.
Hoskins. Injured
CMS. Injured

Clue for all of the above = INJURED for part of the season. so when they 're injured we have to rely on other players (see below), plus I would suggest that a player who is carrying or coming back from injury is not going to be that consistent when it comes to playing performance and that may affect their sharpness in front of goal.

That leaves.
Solly. Young and snatches at chances
JFC. Young and snatches at chances
Ince. Young and snatches at chances

Hmm.... anything similar about those three?

So, who's left who could be contributing?
Lets ignore the defence as it's kind of a bonus when they score ;-)

Kemi. disappeared
Spanish Dave. Not been his best season.
Andrews. I don't think he is aware of where the goal is.
Barnes. Sold.

So who did we get in?
Lita. No idea what went on with him.
Obika. Worst player ever.
Lingaard. Jury's out. Clearly a talent, but.... young and snatches at chances?

So in summary it's not that I think they're weak, I think our primary goal threats have been inconsistent, mainly due to injury, plus a number of the shooting opportunities have fallen to young players who haven't made the most of those chances.

As for the stats thing. Your view is totally subjective.

The stats which are compiled independently, indicate that you are wrong. Commentators have consistently said that we are dominating games. The majority of people posting don't agree with you either.

I've just spent a stupid amount of time typing this. But it's probably pointless.

You're right it is pointless. You say its the players, I reckon its the system.

Look at your first list

Lets look at where we would expect the goals to come from.....
We have an over reliance on one person; Ulloa, he has been injured for part of the season.
Buckley has been inconsistent (and injured), occasionally wading in with goals.
Kaz. erratic (and injured)
Our biggest goal scoring threat from midfield (Crofts) is injured.
Orlandi, who i think people are expecting to contribute has been injured.
Hoskins. Injured
CMS. Injured

Ulloa injured for part of the season. Have you looked closer at that? We have scored three goals 3 or 4 times this season in the league. Have a look when and see the common factor in those games. - Hint. Ulloa played in none of them!
Buckley - Granted injured, granted, but when he plays he is very hit or miss
Kaz - Unfair to call him erratic. Needs a run. in the side
Crofts - Big loss.
CMS/Hoskins injured. Both strikers, but neither will ever play as a striker unless Ulloa is injured, so you may as well disgard them. Blimey, when CMS was playing wide last season people started calling him shit. He's far from he's a class goalscorer, but play him wide is not his game. How great do you think Upson or Greer would be at right or left back, or Bruno for that matter in the centre. Its not their game, so why play strikers out of position in the same way. Answer= It suits the system, but not the players, and the lack of goals suggest that is correct!

So it appears that when Leo Ulloa plays we struggle to score goals, and when he is injured we regularly managed 3 goals a game. Does that suggest that Leo is the problem. Stats would say yes. But Personally I think he is the best striker we have, so instead thinking he is the problem, I'd rather look at why we struggle to score more than one when Leo plays. Only thing I can come up with the system we adapt. Leo in my opinion, is no more a lone striker, than Lingard/Hoskins/CMS is a wide player. In my view they are being played the wrong way in a formation that does not suit them. I think Leo needs a partner, as much as the other 3 do.

Stats would appear to back that up. But stats are misleading. As I said, look at Ipswich. 23 shots I read somewhere, yet their keeper makes just ONE comfortable save. We score no goals. And that is not a one off. The stats may show we are having shots, my eyes tell me that those shots are not of any quality to test the keeper. IMO the only way to improve quality of shots, is to adjust the formation. Oscar will not do this. It's a hang over from Poyet.

One other player you mention, Leroy Lita. Class striker, who should have done well for us. But he has gone the same way as Sam Vokes, Chris Woods, who some on here would have you believe were both SHIT. But both have played a massive part in getting their clubs into the premiership this season. Yet, we had them and they had to play out wide or in an alien role. Play them as strikers, and they produce the goods.

Lingards the same. He's a striker, yet is being asked to play out wide. Result = no goals. People starting to think he's shit, yet speak to a proper Man U fan, and they think he's something special. Okay, you can't blame Oscar for those other two, but you can for Lingard and Lita and the lump from Spurs.

Everyones calling for us to sign another striker! Why? We only use one as a striker! Do you really think class strikers will join us to sit on the bench or play out wide! That's probably part of the reason why the Bournmouth striker used us like he did. He knew he wouldn't play as a striker, so why bother.

So I will stand by my view, that unless Oscar is prepared to try and deliver the attacking football he promised, then I would cut my losses now.

Because in my view, the only reason the season ticket up take is strong (and I do doubt it is a strong as the club suggested as I know a few who cancel after those number we pubslished) is the marketing ploy from the club, where in we have to renew by the end of March. Had we waited until May when the season ended, and if this seasons performanences carry on as they have, then I think season ticket sells would be through the floor, and I worry if we have to put up with another season like this one, then people will not be stucked in twice, and many will not renew next year.

And I do not buy into the notion that we will clear out the dead wood and go straight up next season, as I don't think it is the players we lack. I think the players are there, despite the injuries. I don't see us improving on the current squad. We just need the manager, or a manager, that will play to their strengths, and not keep using a system that is not producing the goods. Because we have had class strikers at the club, and on loan during this and the last few seasons, but all the time we ask to to play a different role they are no good at, goals will be at a premium, unlike the likes of Leicester and Burnley who play their strikers as...... you'll find this funny.... STRIKERS!!!!

 

[glasfryn]

You're right it is pointless. You say its the players, I reckon its the system.

Look at your first list

Lets look at where we would expect the goals to come from.....
We have an over reliance on one person; Ulloa, he has been injured for part of the season.
Buckley has been inconsistent (and injured), occasionally wading in with goals.
Kaz. erratic (and injured)
Our biggest goal scoring threat from midfield (Crofts) is injured.
Orlandi, who i think people are expecting to contribute has been injured.
Hoskins. Injured
CMS. Injured

Ulloa injured for part of the season. Have you looked closer at that? We have scored three goals 3 or 4 times this season in the league. Have a look when and see the common factor in those games. - Hint. Ulloa played in none of them!
Buckley - Granted injured, granted, but when he plays he is very hit or miss
Kaz - Unfair to call him erratic. Needs a run. in the side
Crofts - Big loss.
CMS/Hoskins injured. Both strikers, but neither will ever play as a striker unless Ulloa is injured, so you may as well disgard them. Blimey, when CMS was playing wide last season people started calling him shit. He's far from he's a class goalscorer, but play him wide is not his game. How great do you think Upson or Greer would be at right or left back, or Bruno for that matter in the centre. Its not their game, so why play strikers out of position in the same way. Answer= It suits the system, but not the players, and the lack of goals suggest that is correct!

So it appears that when Leo Ulloa plays we struggle to score goals, and when he is injured we regularly managed 3 goals a game. Does that suggest that Leo is the problem. Stats would say yes. But Personally I think he is the best striker we have, so instead thinking he is the problem, I'd rather look at why we struggle to score more than one when Leo plays. Only thing I can come up with the system we adapt. Leo in my opinion, is no more a lone striker, than Lingard/Hoskins/CMS is a wide player. In my view they are being played the wrong way in a formation that does not suit them. I think Leo needs a partner, as much as the other 3 do.

Stats would appear to back that up. But stats are misleading. As I said, look at Ipswich. 23 shots I read somewhere, yet their keeper makes just ONE comfortable save. We score no goals. And that is not a one off. The stats may show we are having shots, my eyes tell me that those shots are not of any quality to test the keeper. IMO the only way to improve quality of shots, is to adjust the formation. Oscar will not do this. It's a hang over from Poyet.

One other player you mention, Leroy Lita. Class striker, who should have done well for us. But he has gone the same way as Sam Vokes, Chris Woods, who some on here would have you believe were both SHIT. But both have played a massive part in getting their clubs into the premiership this season. Yet, we had them and they had to play out wide or in an alien role. Play them as strikers, and they produce the goods.

Lingards the same. He's a striker, yet is being asked to play out wide. Result = no goals. People starting to think he's shit, yet speak to a proper Man U fan, and they think he's something special. Okay, you can't blame Oscar for those other two, but you can for Lingard and Lita and the lump from Spurs.

Everyones calling for us to sign another striker! Why? We only use one as a striker! Do you really think class strikers will join us to sit on the bench or play out wide! That's probably part of the reason why the Bournmouth striker used us like he did. He knew he wouldn't play as a striker, so why bother.

So I will stand by my view, that unless Oscar is prepared to try and deliver the attacking football he promised, then I would cut my losses now.

Because in my view, the only reason the season ticket up take is strong (and I do doubt it is a strong as the club suggested as I know a few who cancel after those number we pubslished) is the marketing ploy from the club, where in we have to renew by the end of March. Had we waited until May when the season ended, and if this seasons performanences carry on as they have, then I think season ticket sells would be through the floor, and I worry if we have to put up with another season like this one, then people will not be stucked in twice, and many will not renew next year.

And I do not buy into the notion that we will clear out the dead wood and go straight up next season, as I don't think it is the players we lack. I think the players are there, despite the injuries. I don't see us improving on the current squad. We just need the manager, or a manager, that will play to their strengths, and not keep using a system that is not producing the goods. Because we have had class strikers at the club, and on loan during this and the last few seasons, but all the time we ask to to play a different role they are no good at, goals will be at a premium, unlike the likes of Leicester and Burnley who play their strikers as...... you'll find this funny.... STRIKERS!!!!

strangely again I totally agree with every word
dare I say that we might like to have played Barnes along with Leo as out and out strikers
but wait one cotton picking moment we have sold Barnes ....................so we will never know will we?
I also agree with the theory about ST holders
I think this Summer might be rather hectic and maybe more so than last.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

strangely again I totally agree with every word
dare I say that we might like to have played Barnes along with Leo as out and out strikers
but wait one cotton picking moment we have sold Barnes ....................so we will never know will we?
I also agree with the theory about ST holders
I think this Summer might be rather hectic and maybe more so than last.

COuld have played Barnes. I personally would have gone from Lita. Bloom said he was going to sign him in the window back in November, but he never played for us. COuld have had Leo and Leroy up front, or Barnes and Leroy whilst Ulloa was out. Despite the injuries, the players have been there for most games. We just need the manager to manage a bit............ or is there something more sinister at work.

THe manager is the head coach. Is he told to coach the players to OUR system. Does he not have an option of playing two up front?

But that's why we will not sign a decent striker all the time Ulloa is played as a lone one. Why would Lita want to sign for us to sit on the bench or play out wide! Why would any striker!

 

[London Irish]

Agree with Tubby's analysis - Oscar has fairly consistently played it too safe this year, leaving Leo isolated all the time. It's disappointing he hasn't experimented with a different system and has only attacked towards the end of games.

This kind of thing is all fine if you want safe upper mid-table but it's hopeless for any team wanting promotion.

 

[Hotchilidog]

Disagree with the last few posters. We do attack, we just don't execute well enough. The Wigan, Reading and Wednesday results could all have been different had the execution been better in good attacking situations. Our lack of goals has little to do with the style of play, it is do with finishing the job when we put ourselves in decent attacking positions. Also the injuries to CMS, Hoskins, Crofts, Ulloa, Orlandi (amongst others) aswell as the sales of Bridcutt and Barnes have also hampered the team. If anyone thinks that we have a right to a top six place under those circumstances then they are deluded.

 

[brightonmark1234]

i feel we are so predictable

 

[London Irish]

Disagree with the last few posters. We do attack, we just don't execute well enough. The Wigan, Reading and Wednesday results could all have been different had the execution been better in good attacking situations. Our lack of goals has little to do with the style of play, it is do with finishing the job when we put ourselves in decent attacking positions. Also the injuries to CMS, Hoskins, Crofts, Ulloa, Orlandi (amongst others) aswell as the sales of Bridcutt and Barnes have also hampered the team. If anyone thinks that we have a right to a top six place under those circumstances then they are deluded.

Less of the deluded please can we keep the debate civilised.

We had plenty of injuries last season too Bruno, CMS, Vicente - we didnt have our best players Ulloa and Upson for most of the games but the job got done (in regular season at least) regardless of excuses.

We've always missed good chances every season, how do you think Barnes got his reputation? But good teams keep going and get the result - and that's the difference this season, we falter too often.