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Gambler sues bookies for letting him bet



Lady Whistledown

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Jul 7, 2003
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Good news, guys.

Pissed all your wages away down the bookies?

Gambled your last pennies on some godforsaken glue-factory wannabe at Tocester?

Couldn't resist the urge to burn £300,000 on the outcome of the Ryder Cup?

Then have no fear, help is at hand, for this gentleman has come up with the answer! Sue the bookies! Well done, Mr Calvert, you're taking the "It's everyone's fault but mine" culture in this country to a whole new level.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/14/gambling.law?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront


A compulsive gambler is suing a betting chain for negligence after losing £2m when he was supposed to be barred.

Greyhound trainer Graham Calvert, 28, from Tyne and Wear, wants William Hill to pay back his losses on the grounds it failed in its duty of care.

"If I'd known I had the problem and didn't do anything about it, I would see myself as being 100% responsible," he told the BBC. "The fact is that I did try to go through the right procedures and I was let down."

Calvert said he told William Hill to ban him in May 2006 but later opened another account and lost £2m, including £347,000 on a bet that the US would win the Ryder Cup.

He was earning up to £30,000 a month from training greyhounds and had built up savings of nearly £700,000.

He began gambling in 2005 and was soon placing up to 20 bets a day at up to £30,000 a punt. In May 2006, he opened an account with William Hill. After placing some big bets – and realising his habit was getting out of hand - he closed the account and claims he was offered "self exclusion" – where an individual asks not to be allowed to place further bets.

Two months later, Calvert opened a new account with William Hill in his own name and went on to lose £2m.

His legal team claims William Hill was negligent in allowing him to continue to gamble after agreeing he would be self excluded and it should be held responsible for the consequences.

The case opens at the high court next week. William Hill said it would contest the allegations.
 








Lady Whistledown

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I accept he did something by asking them to block his original account.

But to then go and open a brand new account, and spunking £300k on the Ryder Cup...FFS, take some responsibility!

Incidentally, according to Sky News, he's currently on bail, charged with possession of a firearm and class A drugs.

Do you think he'll sue the dealer for selling him the drugs?
 






Freddie Goodwin.

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Mar 31, 2007
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Not to put too fine a point on it but i am, well, a bit fat.

Just think how many places I could sue for getting me to this current state.

Now, I'm not an unreasonable man so, if the Evening Star would like to come to some sort of 'free beer' arrangement, i'll promise not to take it further.
 


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1066gull

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ive overspent, been to the casino and probably have a problem. but i dont go blaming other people. im an adult now, and i have to deal with it.

i have a phone bill to pay for soon, and at the moment i cannot pay it up, nor can i get another overdraft because of bad credit. but i can get a student credit card, oh the banks are such jerks sometimes when you try and fix a problem with a solution.
 


Jul 5, 2003
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ive overspent, been to the casino and probably have a problem. but i dont go blaming other people. im an adult now, and i have to deal with it.

i have a phone bill to pay for soon, and at the moment i cannot pay it up, nor can i get another overdraft because of bad credit. but i can get a student credit card, oh the banks are such jerks sometimes when you try and fix a problem with a solution.

Have you got a job? That might be a good solution to the problem.

I think it's ridiculous. Surely he is responsible for his own debts? If he signed an agreement to block his bets, then he would have been aware of his gambling problem, and therefore responsible for his bets?
 








Dr Q

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Jul 29, 2004
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The guy looked a complete numpty on the telly.

Basicaly all the judge needs to consider, is whether this idiot would have deemed himself as having a gambling problem if he'd have betted all that money and actually won!
 




maffew

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If he signed an agreement to block his bets, then he would have been aware of his gambling problem, and therefore responsible for his bets?

its an addiction though BAG. Just signing a form saying you've got a problem please dont serve me doesnt stop you wanting to bet, same as admitting you've got a smack problem, doesnt stop you needing it

I'm probably on my own here, but the bookies have got a responsibilty and a code of conduct to not let people gamble recklessly

if you go into a pub consistently properly drunk you (probably) wont get served. Well you shouldnt, its illegal. I think they should bring in similar laws for problem gamblers. The bookies know who they are and in an ideal world turn them away, instead they milk their problem

Personally I hope the guy wins then gets help
 


Uncle Spielberg

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I think he will win personally. Bsically if William Hill accepted his self exclusion and then allowed him to open another account without cross referencing it with the one closed down and self excluded they are negligent. Gambling is a disease, lack of understading on this thread of this fact.

William Hill will not have a leg to stand on and it will open up a flood of similar sueing cases as it will be a precedent.

Now if the guy punts the largest ever bet of £ 347000 on the Golf surely William Hill should have thought " hang on a minute isn't that the guy who self excluded himself ? ".
 


maffew

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I think he will win personally. Bsically if William Hill accepted his self exclusion and then allowed him to open another account without cross referencing it with the one closed down and self excluded they are negligent. Gambling is a disease, lack of understading on this thread of this fact.

William Hill will not have a leg to stand on and it will open up a flood of similar sueing cases as it will be a precedent.

Now if the guy punts the largest ever bet of £ 347000 on the Golf surely William Hill should have thought " hang on a minute isn't that the guy who self excluded himself ? ".


is true
 




Uncle Spielberg

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He has a very strong case. He could have opened up a Ladbrokes account and thrown away another £ 2 000 000 and would have no recourse. If he can prove William Hill accepted his self exclusion and then allowed him to open a second account they have been negligent and do not have a leg to stand on. Personally I hope he wins as the bookies frankly do not give a shit if someone gambles their way to the Park bench, they will take very penny you throw at them with no concience.
 


Badger

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I reckon he will win his case, William Hill made a pretty poor effort to prevent him reopening his account.

No doubt he will gamble the money he gets from the case and then sue again when he loses!
 


Uncle Spielberg

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He probably will but the facts are the bookies were negligent and I will laugh my arse off if he wins.
 


beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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I cant see how he can win. Surely he is a victim of entrapment, even if that is by himself. The court will be very aware of the torrent of cases that will follow. Then the banks, which let people go into debt, the shop that let people repeated shop lift, it wont end.

Hang on, if he does win... does that mean we can sue Uncle Spielberg et all for their dodgy tips? doesnt sound such a bad idea after all.
 




seagullsovergrimsby

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Aug 21, 2005
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Trying to blame someone else for your addiction is a denial of that addiction. If an alcoholic asks a landlord to ban him and 2 weeks later he gets served is the landlord responsible for the bloke falling off the wagon ?
 


seagullsovergrimsby

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I cant see how he can win. Surely he is a victim of entrapment, even if that is by himself. The court will be very aware of the torrent of cases that will follow. Then the banks, which let people go into debt, the shop that let people repeated shop lift, it wont end.

Hang on, if he does win... does that mean we can sue Uncle Spielberg et all for their dodgy tips? doesnt sound such a bad idea after all.
Agreed the banks will lose millions because they have handed out credit cards to those who cannot control their own finances. The shoplifters will no longer have to say that they are druggies and have to support a habit - they'll just say the shops made no attempt to stop them nicking stuff on a daily basis. How much will US be liable for ?
 


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