France v Switzerland and Albania v Romania 8pm ko

[pasty]

It is complicated. There are 15 possible permutations, lets assume we win the group.

7 permutations result in England v 3rd in group A; 7 permutations result in England v 3rd in Group D (Czech Republic right now) and 1 permutation England v 3rd in Group C (Northern Ireland).

At this point it is probably fair to assume there will be no third place qualifier from Group E (Sweden or/and Republic of Ireland need to beat Belgium and Italy respectively). Of the remaining 5 permutations that exclude a 3rd place qualifier from Group E; 3 result in England v Group D (Czech Republic) and 2 v Group A (Albania).

So effectively we will not know until Czech Republic and Turkey play on Tuesday night.

So does that mean that from the 3 groups A, C & D, only one 3rd placed side will go through?

 

[perseus]

Ned the Swiss to score or its £20 down the pan for a 1-1.

 

[Pantani]

A Romania equaliser will make it extremely likely we will play Czech Republic or Turkey. Therefore, come on Albania!

 

[Pantani]

So does that mean that from the 3 groups A, C & D, only one 3rd placed side will go through?

No, the table of permutations on Wiki has it that all three groups can have a 3rd place qualifier. It is only that certain combinations of third place qualifiers make certain other draws more likely. The only way we can play Northern Ireland, for example, is if neither groups A or D have a third place qualifier.

Not sure I am explaining this very well but it is ridiculously complicated for no good reason.

 

[Steve in Japan]

I must speak frankly. SWI vs FRA has not been compelling viewing.

In fact boring as a rude word.

 

[Pantani]

I must speak frankly. SWI vs FRA has not been compelling viewing.

In fact boring as a rude word.

Albania v Romania has been pretty good. Lacking in quality certainly, but the fact the both need to win really has made it more exciting.

 

[yxee]

So boring

 

[Steve in Japan]

Albania v Romania has been pretty good. Lacking in quality certainly, but the fact the both need to win really has made it more exciting.

Should have struggled over to the remote control. My fault.

 

[Frutos]

Switzerland really should have had a penalty there.

 

[Maldini]

Switzerland really should have had a penalty there.

91st minute pen against the home nation.Few refs would have the balls.

 

[1066familyman]

It is complicated. There are 15 possible permutations, lets assume we win the group.

7 permutations result in England v 3rd in group A; 7 permutations result in England v 3rd in Group D (Czech Republic right now) and 1 permutation England v 3rd in Group C (Northern Ireland).

At this point it is probably fair to assume there will be no third place qualifier from Group E (Sweden or/and Republic of Ireland need to beat Belgium and Italy respectively). Of the remaining 5 permutations that exclude a 3rd place qualifier from Group E; 3 result in England v Group D (Czech Republic) and 2 v Group A (Albania).

So effectively we will not know until Czech Republic and Turkey play on Tuesday night.

All this is from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2016#Ranking_of_third-placed_teams

This is exactly the reason I haven't even tried to work out who we might end up playing - just too many permutations, as you say.

Really doesn't matter who we play either. You just have to beat what's in front of you and if that's a decent team early doors then so be it - have to beat decent teams to win the thing anyway.

 

[Drebin]

It is complicated. There are 15 possible permutations, lets assume we win the group.

7 permutations result in England v 3rd in group A; 7 permutations result in England v 3rd in Group D (Czech Republic right now) and 1 permutation England v 3rd in Group C (Northern Ireland).

At this point it is probably fair to assume there will be no third place qualifier from Group E (Sweden or/and Republic of Ireland need to beat Belgium and Italy respectively). Of the remaining 5 permutations that exclude a 3rd place qualifier from Group E; 3 result in England v Group D (Czech Republic) and 2 v Group A (Albania).

So effectively we will not know until Czech Republic and Turkey play on Tuesday night.

All this is from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2016#Ranking_of_third-placed_teams

So to put it simply, England do their best to win the group and if we manage that we just need to turn up on Saturday and someone who we really should beat will also be there.

 

[pasty]

Loving these Albanian fans.

 

[1066familyman]

I must speak frankly. SWI vs FRA has not been compelling viewing.

In fact boring as a rude word.

I'm not surprised to hear that. As pointed out before the game started, had Germany v Poland written all over it.

 

[Pantani]

This is exactly the reason I haven't even tried to work out who we might end up playing - just too many permutations, as you say.

Really doesn't matter who we play either. You just have to beat what's in front of you and if that's a decent team early doors then so be it - have to beat decent teams to win the thing anyway.

Your way is probably more sensible. I just really hate not knowing how it works.

 

[Ernest]

Shocking waste of time , both matches were crap, rubbish pitches, rubbish balls, rubbish shirts, rubbish strikers, time to ABOLISH the Euro's if this is the BEST they can offer

 

[ArfurW8]

36 matches to get rid of 8 teams seems a bit long winded , having so many teams in it seems to have diluted the quality and excitement.

 

[Maldini]

36 matches to get rid of 8 teams seems a bit long winded , having so many teams in it seems to have diluted the quality and excitement.

I agree.

Some are defending the increase in teams by saying the smaller teams have held their own.Not only diluted but the way the games work
out after the group stages is a joke.

The Euros should not try and compete with the World Cup.That should be the biggest football tournament.

 

[1066familyman]

36 matches to get rid of 8 teams seems a bit long winded , having so many teams in it seems to have diluted the quality and excitement.

I tend to agree. I'm very underwhelmed by the tournament so far.

 

[The Rivet]

36 matches to get rid of 8 teams seems a bit long winded , having so many teams in it seems to have diluted the quality and excitement.

Agreed it has seemed turgid at times however, surely it will explode during the knockouts.