[News] Former Army man to be prosecuted!

[alfredmizen]

He's not making that up. The victim is described as a 'Sinn Fein activist' in various media outlets.

thank you.

 

[alfredmizen]

He's not making that up. The victim is described as a 'Sinn Fein activist' in various media outlets.

[MENTION=11928]vegster[/MENTION] , care to comment ?

 

[oneillco]

which part do you consider "made up" ?

Oh no I'm being drawn into debate with Alf Misanthrope. I consider that you are making-up about him shouting abuse, and that he was a "dicker" for the PIRA (no account suggests this, and I saw a photo of his coffin with only a football shirt on it) and thirdly you made-up that I read an IRA newspaper. Oh and I note that you still haven't mentioned the PSNI report which in summary says that the soldier lied.

 

[Hampden Park]

t'was on the telly box yesterday about his sinn fein shite

 

[hans kraay fan club]

yes , yes , yes nobody is arguing that , but can i ask when the bloke who tried to kill me in crossmaglen in 1983 is.going to be investigated and prosecuted for attempted murder ? , youre far from stupid mate so i can only conclude youre deliberately missing the point / reason ex squaddies are unhappy

I don't think I'm missing the point - I understand why you and your former comrades feel as you do.

Personally, if I'd like for anyone who is known, and evidenced, to be guilty of such crimes to be brought to account (on all sides) but understand why this can't happen (for the greater good and all that). The unfortunate fact that your assailant can't be brought to book for whatever reason, doesn't in my opinion mean that folk in different uniforms should necessarily be granted immunity from absolutely everything.

If we were talking about a case of something that happened during some form of violent engagement, then I'd be more inclined to agree with you - such things should be judged in a military context, by people with relevant experience. I don't (personally) believe that a person being shot in the back from 300m away, walking away from a check-point on the way to a GAA match, comes under that description, however mouthy he was.

 

[alfredmizen]

Oh no I'm being drawn into debate with Alf Misanthrope. I consider that you are making-up about him shouting abuse, and that he was a "dicker" for the PIRA (no account suggests this, and I saw a photo of his coffin with only a football shirt on it) and thirdly you made-up that I read an IRA newspaper. Oh and I note that you still haven't mentioned the PSNI report which in summary says that the soldier lied.

the psni report says the soldiers account is "unlikely" not that he lied , the coffin with a football shirt on it , says it all , he was a sinn fein activist as has already been established so why no tricolour ? wouldnt be because its a golden propaganda opportunity to present the brits as murderous oppressers to gullible americans (and people with usernames that hint at irish heritage )and im making up tbat he shouted abuse , for a start i didnt say he shouted it , it would have been spoken , along the lines of who is shagging your wife while your out here , see we got o e of yours yesterday , theres a 1000 pound landmine with your name on it , those sort of pleasantries , now i speak from experience here , im told he did these things by people who were there , where do you gather your viewpoint from , your conviction that he didnt do these things and im making it up ?

 

[oneillco]

the psni report says the soldiers account is "unlikely" not that he lied , the coffin with a football shirt on it , says it all , he was a sinn fein activist as has already been established so why no tricolour ? wouldnt be because its a golden propaganda opportunity to present the brits as murderous oppressers to gullible americans (and people with usernames that hint at irish heritage )and im making up tbat he shouted abuse , for a start i didnt say he shouted it , it would have been spoken , along the lines of who is shagging your wife while your out here , see we got o e of yours yesterday , theres a 1000 pound landmine with your name on it , those sort of pleasantries , now i speak from experience here , im told he did these things by people who were there , where do you gather your viewpoint from , your conviction that he didnt do these things and im making it up ?

Oh OK Alf, I'm sure the court will be calling you to give evidence. He obviously deserved to be shot in the back.

 

[alfredmizen]

Oh OK Alf, I'm sure the court will be calling you to give evidence. He obviously deserved to be shot in the back.

Ah the desperate attempt at an answer from somebody who knows he hasnt got a real one to put forward

 

[oneillco]

Ah the desperate attempt at an answer from somebody who knows he hasnt got a real one to put forward

That's very weak. No Alf, it's weary response of a man who realises that he really should have known better than to engage with NSC's resident guff artist.

 

[vegster]

He's not making that up. The victim is described as a 'Sinn Fein activist' in various media outlets.

It was the first I had heard about it when Alf said it.

 

[alfredmizen]

That's very weak. No Alf, it's weary response of a man who realises that he really should have known better than to engage with NSC's resident guff artist.

That's very weak. No Alf, it's weary response of a man who realises that he really should have known better than to engage with NSC's resident guff artist.

guff ? other posters have alteady commented that he was a sinn fein activist , im so sorry i havent deferred to your experience gained from reading left leaning publications, i havent posted "guff" at all , simply things that dont fit your agenda and you find unpalatable , thats the real reason for your crap replies.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I don't think I'm missing the point - I understand why you and your former comrades feel as you do.

Personally, if I'd like for anyone who is known, and evidenced, to be guilty of such crimes to be brought to account (on all sides) but understand why this can't happen (for the greater good and all that). The unfortunate fact that your assailant can't be brought to book for whatever reason, doesn't in my opinion mean that folk in different uniforms should necessarily be granted immunity from absolutely everything.

If we were talking about a case of something that happened during some form of violent engagement, then I'd be more inclined to agree with you - such things should be judged in a military context, by people with relevant experience. I don't (personally) believe that a person being shot in the back from 300m away, walking away from a check-point on the way to a GAA match, comes under that description, however mouthy he was.

Whereas a pira sticking around in a squady is?
Neither are acceptable but only punishing one side is equally unacceptable. My view is that of an earlier post where the view is that he was sighting the individual forgetting that the weapon was cocked or the safety was off.

FWIW, I have never agreed with Alf especially concerning his political views which I find abhorrent however in this case I have a great deal of sympathy with his views.

 

[alfredmizen]

I don't think I'm missing the point - I understand why you and your former comrades feel as you do.

Personally, if I'd like for anyone who is known, and evidenced, to be guilty of such crimes to be brought to account (on all sides) but understand why this can't happen (for the greater good and all that). The unfortunate fact that your assailant can't be brought to book for whatever reason, doesn't in my opinion mean that folk in different uniforms should necessarily be granted immunity from absolutely everything.

If we were talking about a case of something that happened during some form of violent engagement, then I'd be more inclined to agree with you - such things should be judged in a military context, by people with relevant experience. I don't (personally) believe that a person being shot in the back from 300m away, walking away from a check-point on the way to a GAA match, comes under that description, however mouthy he was.

youre missing the point by a long way and im starting to wonder if its deliberate , youve already admitted there cannot be a peace process without amnesties , is it or is it not acceptable that the amnesty only works one way ? its not difficult.

 

[alfredmizen]

Whereas a pira sticking around in a squady is?
Neither are acceptable but only punishing one side is equally unacceptable. My view is that of an earlier post where the view is that he was sighting the individual forgetting that the weapon was cocked or the safety was off.

FWIW, I have never agreed with Alf especially concerning his political views which I find abhorrent however in this case I have a great deal of sympathy with his views.

which particular.part of.my political views do you find abhorrent ?
thanks for the support on this topic btw

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

which particular.part of.my political views do you find abhorrent ?
thanks for the support on this topic btw

You come across as a racist end of.

 

[alfredmizen]

It was the first I had heard about it when Alf said it.

yet you saw fit to rubbish my post with thinly veiled intimations it was untrue , there have been plenty of instances of this before only now youve been shown up , you couldbt even bring yourself to reply to me , you had to do it to thrk ...........momentum ? ive shit em

 

[alfredmizen]

You come across as a racist end of.

im not racist just someone who grew up seeing the sharp end of immigration rather than the pink fluffy, mid sussex , the bloke who runs the cuckfield tandoori is really nice so immigration must be good , type of experience , perhaps you might feel the same had you done so

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I am

Me too. I only ever tried a .22. That was enough for me.

 

[drew]

Isn't the point that whilst everyone pretty much appreciates the job servicemen do, there is a standard that we expect of them. We don't want to see them lower their standards to that of the common denominator. If fighting Isis for example, we don't expect our troops to behead any prisoners, rape female captives etc etc. Those standards would include not shooting civilians whether we like what they are saying or not.

In this case surely the question mark is over the way the army dealt with it at the time. Someone died and the result was just a discharge and a fine.

The question of immunity is, unfortunately, irrelevant as the immunity to terrorist organisations on both sides and the 'comfort letters' were part of the price for peace. Should it have applied to the armed forces and Police, almost certainly yes but it wasn't so we have to deal with the consequences of that.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

im not racist just someone who grew up seeing the sharp end of immigration rather than the pink fluffy, mid sussex , the bloke who runs the cuckfield tandoori is really nice so immigration must be good , type of experience , perhaps you might feel the same had you done so

Deportivo has served in the Navy, so your patronising rubbish doesn't wash. The Navy also had bases & Marines in NI, so not so naive as you like to make out.