[Albion] Form that often gets a manager the sack

[portlock seagull]

I keep pinching myself.

I get to see Gundogan, Kane, Son and Mahrez outclass us with ease. These are the things ….

Yep. Football has all the romance of forecourt carnations these days.

 

[Brovion]

There is something of the way Bamber failed to support Pat Saward in that we are unable to fund that magic striker, the way that lack of support meant that Saward was unable to push us to the next level.

The amount of money Bloom has laid out for mediocrity, the waste of fees and wages for players we could barely give away.

Biggest difference is... there ain't no Peter Taylor or even a Brian Clough, no Ward or Zamora to save the day. We must know our place. Low to mid table prem league side.

In Potter we trust

If I remember rightly (and it's a long time ago so maybe not) didn't we have a 'Buy a Player' fund under Saward? We knew we needed a forward so a load of fans organised collections. Iirc we raised enough to buy Bert Murray! Maybe we should do that again? Rattle a few tins on Brighton seafront, should raise 50 million quid in no time. (Or maybe not. Shows how times, and football finances, have changed).

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

I am indifferent if he stays or goes now. Not sure but he must have one of the worst points to games and win percentages of any manager in bhafc's history and the home record must be the worst. 10 goals in 15 home games is absolutely shocking. Last 25 games 3 wins 13 draws 9 defeats 22 points and the next 8 games might get 4 points ?

 

[pure_white]

I am indifferent if he stays or goes now. Not sure but he must have one of the worst points to games and win percentages of any manager in bhafc's history and the home record must be the worst. 10 goals in 15 home games is absolutely shocking. Last 25 games 3 wins 13 draws 9 defeats 22 points and the next 8 games might get 4 points ?

The home form is very relevant as many fans don't see away matches and even if its on the TV when you attend in person and the team fails to score/win the effort of the trains and so on adds to the miserable day out, so I would be surprised if GP is not closely judged on home form. Time will tell but I be very surprised if he isn't the manager at the start of next season, very surprised indeed.

 

[Hamilton]

Exactly!! The question one must ask oneself is, where do you think we should be? Then look at the current table.

I don’t think it’s about where we think we should be, it’s more a case of what we see happening on the pitch.

I am excited by a lot of our players, but they aren’t performing and it’s not all down to them.

The bizarre thing is that if we beat Arsenal and other results go our way, we are top 10 again. But I think that a) that’s unlikely and b) it masks problems.


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[Stat Brother]

I don’t think it’s about where we think we should be, it’s more a case of what we see happening on the pitch.

I am excited by a lot of our players, but they aren’t performing and it’s not all down to them.

The bizarre thing is that if we beat Arsenal and other results go our way, we are top 10 again. But I think that a) that’s unlikely and b) it masks problems.


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a) more likely than beating Norwich.
b) yep.

 

[albionalex]

Which is a poor explanation. Everyone has known for 10 years how Burnley play football and it doesnt prevent them from meeting or exceeding expectations every season.

There is a fair chance GP gets sacked (or walks as there's easily a world where you can get burned out from managing this rollercoaster of a team) at the end of the season but I think his chances of keeping the job is better than it was for CH, for a variety of reasons, the main one being that Covid seriously ****ed up the squad building. When on average clubs have a transfer deficit of around £50m per year (in the last two seasons) while Brighton over the last two years is very close to £0, just staying up is a pretty decent achievement. This can be compared with the -£120m in CHs two seasons and the -£53m in GPs first season.

Going close to £0 in transfer deficit over two seasons without losing ground in the PL is remarkable and I think TB is well aware.

I would be very surprised if he resigned.

Not often that PL managers resign, especially one that wouldn't have a guaranteed route back in.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Yep. Football has all the romance of forecourt carnations these days.

 

[Swansman]

I would be very surprised if he resigned.

Not often that PL managers resign, especially one that wouldn't have a guaranteed route back in.

Also not very often managers work for 11 years straight with a sabbatical year or any time between jobs. It is presumably a pretty stressful job.

 

[paulfuzz]

I don’t think it’s about where we think we should be, it’s more a case of what we see happening on the pitch.

I am excited by a lot of our players, but they aren’t performing and it’s not all down to them.

The bizarre thing is that if we beat Arsenal and other results go our way, we are top 10 again. But I think that a) that’s unlikely and b) it masks problems.


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From what I witnessed on Saturday there was no lack of effort, various ranges of quality from OK to great (Veltman especially) and tactically the team did everything but the hardest thing which is to score.
The only game in this current run when I was truly disheartened was Burnley but that I would say was down to both first choice central defenders being unavailable and missing the opportunity to equalise (Adam L's header) which may have changed the game.

I do not think I am alone in thinking that both Tariq and Solly should have more confidence in their own ability to take on the player they are up against.

A win against Arsenal, I believe unlikely but if we get a point out of it I will be happy.

Overall I choose to see the positives.

 

[boik]

From what I witnessed on Saturday there was no lack of effort, various ranges of quality from OK to great (Veltman especially) and tactically the team did everything but the hardest thing which is to score.
The only game in this current run when I was truly disheartened was Burnley but that I would say was down to both first choice central defenders being unavailable and missing the opportunity to equalise (Adam L's header) which may have changed the game.

I do not think I am alone in thinking that both Tariq and Solly should have more confidence in their own ability to take on the player they are up against.

A win against Arsenal, I believe unlikely but if we get a point out of it I will be happy.

Overall I choose to see the positives.

Ah, confidence. That most elusive of things!

I'm a crap snooker player, entered a works comp to make up the numbers. Got through a couple of low quality rounds and then from nowhere I couldn't miss. Every shot I tried went pretty much to perfection. All the pockets seemed bigger than usual. Got all the way to the final playing better than I ever had. In the final normal form returned and every shot rattled in the jaws. I got stuffed.

I don't know where this confidence came from, or how it disappeared so quickly. I'm sure most people who play sport will have come across this thing.

We have players who can play really well and can score really good goals. We have shown that. I couldn't force just myself to regain confidence, so trying to get a whole team to regain confidence must be a nightmare. I'm guessing we will need something fortunate to go for us and swing it, or a complete break over the summer.

Come back confidence, all is forgiven!!

 

[wuntbedruv]

If I remember rightly (and it's a long time ago so maybe not) didn't we have a 'Buy a Player' fund under Saward? We knew we needed a forward so a load of fans organised collections. Iirc we raised enough to buy Bert Murray! Maybe we should do that again? Rattle a few tins on Brighton seafront, should raise 50 million quid in no time. (Or maybe not. Shows how times, and football finances, have changed).

https://thegoldstonewrap.com/tag/bert-murray/

Might need a sponsor walk along the prom to Dover this time to raise £50 mill

 

[albionalex]

Also not very often managers work for 11 years straight with a sabbatical year or any time between jobs. It is presumably a pretty stressful job.

Usually, they would be sacked a few times in 11 years. Or 11 months at Watford.

 

[Badger Boy]

Let's just get through this season and wait for the change in the summer. Maybe he'll be off to a new club with our blessing, maybe we'll sack him. I really don't believe he'll be the manager for the first game next season and I really hope he won't be.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

If we can all agree that the team are making chances but not taking them, I don't see how anyone can see the key issue being the manager who primarily works on team build up play and shape.

Graham Potter did not sky the penalty on Saturday.

Of the 7 winless games, we have created more chances in 4 with the Spurs game pretty much the same. Out-possessed/out-created by United, Spurs and Liverpool. Not much shame in that.

Yes, you can come back at me with a lazy "work on shooting in training" but unfortunately there comes a point where the final part falls to a player on the pitch and there's not much more the manager can do.

Is there room for improvement? Obviously. Is the manager the key issue here? Not for me.

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

If we can all agree that the team are making chances but not taking them, I don't see how anyone can see the key issue being the manager who primarily works on team build up play and shape.

Graham Potter did not sky the penalty on Saturday.

Of the 7 winless games, we have created more chances in 4 with the Spurs game pretty much the same. Out-possessed/out-created by United, Spurs and Liverpool. Not much shame in that.

Yes, you can come back at me with a lazy "work on shooting in training" but unfortunately there comes a point where the final part falls to a player on the pitch and there's not much more the manager can do.

Is there room for improvement? Obviously. Is the manager the key issue here? Not for me.

People were saying this 12 months ago. That's the issue.

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[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

People were saying this 12 months ago. That's the issue.

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And we had a brilliant start to the season where we actually took all the chances Potter's tactics were creating

 

[Steve in Japan]

I would assume our current position in the Form Table is exercising a few of the Management C'tee at Amex Towers. And frankly, if they're not bothered, I'm not sure why we should be.

 

[Withdean11]

If we can all agree that the team are making chances but not taking them, I don't see how anyone can see the key issue being the manager who primarily works on team build up play and shape.

Graham Potter did not sky the penalty on Saturday.

Of the 7 winless games, we have created more chances in 4 with the Spurs game pretty much the same. Out-possessed/out-created by United, Spurs and Liverpool. Not much shame in that.

Yes, you can come back at me with a lazy "work on shooting in training" but unfortunately there comes a point where the final part falls to a player on the pitch and there's not much more the manager can do.

Is there room for improvement? Obviously. Is the manager the key issue here? Not for me.

I used to be firmly in this camp. But what I’ve started realising is that part of the problem, for me, is the type of chances we are creating. Outside of set pieces, we only ever create anything in a crowded box due to the fact we are far too slow to work the ball around and into dangerous positions. We have no one looking to get in behind and Maupay will spend most of the game with his back to goal or coming really deep. Most shots are either from distance or snap shots which are likely to get blocked.

While I’m still a big fan of Potter, I think he is fairly poor at managing players around the penalty box.

We could just need better/quicker players, but we have had enough transfer windows under Potter to sort it out now.

 

[Springal]

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We could just need better/quicker players, but we have had enough transfer windows under Potter to sort it out now.

That’s the recruitment teams job, not Potters.