[Football] Forest docked 4 points FFP

[Hamilton]

This is ridiculous.

It's just a game. Points deducted. Appeal. Points handed back.

Who are these clowns?

Man City will get 3 points for their next victory. Perhaps they will appeal that and be awarded 6 points instead.

 

[Insel affe]

Surely it has to be fairer to be black and white then a bunch of grey suits just deciding how hard to punish a certain club.

Hardly surprising grey suits create a grey area for yet more grey suits to make money in challenging the grey decision.

All very predicable and bland.

 

[raymondo]

Apparently it’s a lower points deduction than it might have been so that it reduces the chance of an appeal which the PL really don’t want as it would drag on beyond the end of the season and make the relegation battle a farce.

OK...but maybe Everton will appeal again now?

 

[Right Back]

Could be that only 2 years out of 3 were in the PL so this was taken into account for the points deduction.

 

[Hiheidi]

 

[raymondo]

I don't do conspiracy theories but, much like our Royal Family currently, there's plenty being done here to ENCOURAGE them.

Transparency is needed and an update on the Man City situation wouldn't go amiss either.

Ah yes, Man City...hmmm...which season do you reckon the cases will be heard, and which season finalised after appeals...? Yes, it's ridiculous.
If they said something like: anyone breaking the rules will just be relegated (even if it's ten teams...) maybe that would simplify things.

 

[brighton_tom]

Obviously the recent cases are different, so I dont want to compare one to another, but it all just seems a bit lenient to me. If Forest/Everton have overspent which has lead to them unjustly improving their playing squad and therefore to date earning more league points than they potentially should have, now deducting them an amount of points that can be recouped in just two games feels like a smack on the wrist but not meaningful enough. Surely it will lead to other teams chancing it with their spending, thinking 'whats the worst that could happen, a 4 point deduction..'.

 

[Rowdey]

I suspect it's lower than Everton's deduction as they took into account Forest's argument around the timing of the sale of Brennan Johnson to Spurs as mitigation, having showed how it was in their best interest to hold out for a few months to receive a far better price for the player, rather than to sell earlier to meet this deadline but receive a far lower fee in return.

Their argument was simply why should they be forced to sell early when it damages them financially, and if that (later) sale was taken into account, they would have met the criteria.

If clubs are forced to accept low fees in order to meet a deadline whilst negotiating with other clubs over the sale of their assets, then it hands the initiative to the buyer, who can use that as leverage to pay a lot less than an asset may be worth, punishing the selling club as they would be left with the dilemma of accepting an unrealistic, undervalued bid and passing, or getting a fair / true value for their asset but fail.

Handily for them, they have been prolific buyers, so would have taken advantage of this side of the coin..!

 

[jcdenton08]

I am no @El Presidente I freely admit, but it doesn’t seem right to me.

The advantages of cheating to gain an advantage far outweigh the punishments for (eventually) being punished.

It would seem to make sense to cheat brazenly to get the points, take the inevitable small deduction - appeal it and see it likely reduced even further - and still be way ahead.

It’s like robbing a bank with your face clearly visible and your address printed on your t-shirt, being caught sentenced to a few months in prison and being allowed to keep the money afterwards.

 

[brighton_tom]

I am no @El Presidente I freely admit, but it doesn’t seem right to me.

The advantages of cheating to gain an advantage far outweigh the punishments for (eventually) being punished.

It would seem to make sense to cheat brazenly to get the points, take the inevitable small deduction - appeal it and see it likely reduced even further - and still be way ahead.

It’s like robbing a bank with your face clearly visible and your address printed on your t-shirt, being caught sentenced to a few months in prison and being allowed to keep the money afterwards.

Yep exactly this. They overspend and buy players they shouldn't be able to afford, get caught, receive a tiny punishment, and then get to carry on the season with those same players.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

This seems to be the Everton point of view but stadium costs are not included in FFp spending

Which they know full well.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

I suspect it's lower than Everton's deduction as they took into account Forest's argument around the timing of the sale of Brennan Johnson to Spurs as mitigation, having showed how it was in their best interest to hold out for a few months to receive a far better price for the player, rather than to sell earlier to meet this deadline but receive a far lower fee in return.

Their argument was simply why should they be forced to sell early when it damages them financially, and if that (later) sale was taken into account, they would have met the criteria.

If clubs are forced to accept low fees in order to meet a deadline whilst negotiating with other clubs over the sale of their assets, then it hands the initiative to the buyer, who can use that as leverage to pay a lot less than an asset may be worth, punishing the selling club as they would be left with the dilemma of accepting an unrealistic, undervalued bid and passing, or getting a fair / true value for their asset but fail.

Surely a single transfer is irrelevant to the outcome, where as they are still accountable for wider approach / strategy they decided to take, so £20 above or below the Johnson valuation doesn’t hit the sides

You only spend £250 on players if you think nothing will come of it, seems like the enforcement has come somewhat as a surprise to these long standing financial institutions?

 

[AlbionBro]

4 PTS is just a random number aimed to make the relegation fight more competitive, isn't it? Football is so inconsistent, the guys upstairs are ruining our game.

 

[jcdenton08]

@Tony Le Mesmer

The Moat House Hotel in High Wycombe. They know me there. They're very discreet. You'll love it – it's got a 24-hour carvery…

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

It's all a bit of a joke now. The Evertons and the Forests get arbitrarily moved up and down the table mid-season while the Chelseas and the Man Citys just carry on regardless. Add in the vagaries of VAR and it's increasingly hard to care anymore. EPL will eat itself

 

[SAC]

It's all a bit of a joke now. The Evertons and the Forests get arbitrarily moved up and down the table mid-season while the Chelseas and the Man Citys just carry on regardless. Add in the vagaries of VAR and it's increasingly hard to care anymore. EPL will eat itself

But this has nothing to do with Man City or Chelsea, completely different cases of (alleged) cheating.

 

[BNthree]

laughable, and it is not even funny, the whole system and process is embarrassing.

Yep this is the problem with having the same body that is in charge of promoting and marketing the Premier League also being the authority on implementing the rules of the league too. Needs a fully independent body in charge of enforcing the rules that isn't worried about "tarnishing" the league.

 

[KZNSeagull]

4 PTS is just a random number aimed to make the relegation fight more competitive, isn't it? Football is so inconsistent, the guys upstairs are ruining our game.

Oh no surely not? Companies that pay billions for a product want to have a say in how it develops? I can't believe that

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

But this has nothing to do with Man City or Chelsea, completely different cases of (alleged) cheating.

It's got everything to do with them

 

[Official Old Man]

I've said it before and I'll bore you all by saying it again.
Chelsea have played a final and are back at Wembley for a cup semi.
If Brighton exceeded FFP and had a points deducted we'd already had the best season in our history and you cant take that away.
So does a small points deduction mean breaking the rules is worth it.
Answer YES.